Accuracy with broadheads part 2

[bgirdler]

Went to my friends parents where we shoot yesterday to try to broadhead tune and also set my 50 and 60 pins. It was very gusty with a slower constant wind. The wind was at our backs except for the gusts. It made for some good practice but bad tuning. I started at 20 yards with a BH group. Great group just low left. I went to move my rest up and right, following some advice I read here, and found that I could move it up fine but it was already maxed out to the right on the lateral adjustment. Plus, when I draw with the BHs many times a blade will touch/bump/nick the riser. Twice it did this enough to knock the arrow off the rest. Very frustrating! Not sure how to fix that, I need to move my rest left to adjust for this nicking, but right to bring my broadheads in with my field points. I may just sight in with broadheads for the season and get everything to fly together later. I thought about trying a different BH but I just can't afford it. I have good BHs, Muzzy 3 blade 125grn, and they group well and fly well. Not sure what else to do at this point. I'm gonna try BH tuning one more time when it is not windy, but may just have to sight in BH and only use them through January. Any thoughts, or anyone in Tucson wanna go shoot with me and help get in where it should be?

[crazy4COUES]

I would recommend using your rest as a fine tune adjustment. You should use your sight to get your 20 yd. zero. Then as you "walk back" and the arrows veer to the left or right, assuming all pins are adjusted vertically, you fine tune it with the rest. So that your rest is holding the arrow centered to your sight downrange. Then when you go back to 20 it should be a better zero. Also I avoid making any adjustments when conditions are less than desirable. Your bow should have a recommended center shot for the arrow rest, start there. Once you start adjusting the rest, anything more than 1/8" in either direction is excessive IMO.

[Red Rabbit]

If your group is low & left, you would need to move the sight down and to the left (not up and to the right).

As mentioned, do any adjustments on a calm day.

 

What bow do you have? Model, draw length, poundage? Arrows and spine? Perhaps the arrows are not spined correctly.

[bgirdler]

If your group is low & left, you would need to move the sight down and to the left (not up and to the right).

As mentioned, do any adjustments on a calm day.

 

What bow do you have? Model, draw length, poundage? Arrows and spine? Perhaps the arrows are not spined correctly.

 

I know sight moves to the shot (opposite direction shots need to go), if i tune rest then to get arrows to go right then rest would go right correct? Just waiting for a calm day that I am free now.

 

I have a PSE Nova, 29", 63# draw, Easton Game Getter AL arrows, don't rememeber spine. A guy in the archery dept at Sportsmans who i know knows his stuff very well told me they were the right ones. 125grn tips, field and bh, also recommended by sportsmans guy.

[paul navarre]

you stated," great group but low left". I went to move my rest up and right..............

 

Not sure why you are moving your rest and not your sight if your rest have been adjusted to give you !00% down range arrow flight. ie, center shot and paper tuned. I had a new cable and string placed on my bow the other day and they lazer- adjusted, centered the arrow and rest. Great flight. Prior to this , I would one of the commerical center- shot tools with good results. I would recommend that you get your rest center- shot tuned so that your arrow is leaving the bow/rest with 100% efficiency and then sight in your field tips again for 12x impacts. This should get rid of the arrow nicking the riser problem.

 

Are your field tips shooting ok to dead center of the target.? If they are but your BH are impacting low and left, then adjust your sight to bring the BH to dead center.

 

Rule of thumb, is to follow the arrow with your sight adjustment. IN this case, you are shooting low. Adjust the total sight or site pin down. This will raise the arrows impact.

 

Shooting right. Adjust the sight or site pin to the right. This will bring the sight or pin to the left. Hopefully, this will allow you enough room to move your total site or just your site pins.

 

I did this when I shot Thunderheads, 3bl, 125 grs BH as they also shot low and to the left. With a little adjustment, they shot dead center with good arrow flight and I ended up killed a lot of big game from elk, deer, sheep, etc.

 

Three years ago I switched BH to Magnus, 4 bld, Stingers. No need to make a pre hunting season adjustment. They shoot exactally where my field tip impact out to 60 yards.

 

I agree, only fine tune your bow in a perfect environment, ie, no wind and on flat ground. Perfect practice results in perfect shot placement.

 

Some may argue that your BH and field tips should impact EXACTALLY, the same, if you bow is tuned properly. Some bows and some BH may allow you to do this. SOME NOT. Make sure you are not canting your bow left or right. THis will affect arrow impact right or left. Make sure you are not dropping your bow arm upon release. THis will cause lower arrow impacts. Have some one stand behind and then to the right of you and watch your shooting form. THis may determine your form is a fault.

 

I am sure, there will be some more advise but the main thing is that you are confident in your arrow flight and arrow impact. Finding the correct way to get you there is the challange.

 

Also, check out the Easton Arrow Co. web site. They have instructions on how to get PERFECT, arrow fllight and bh/ft impacts.

 

Good luck, Paul

[crazy4COUES]

I know sight moves to the shot (opposite direction shots need to go), if i tune rest then to get arrows to go right then rest would go right correct?

 

YES that is correct, the sight moves in the same direction as your arrow impact from point of aim, the arrow rest is opposite arrow point of impact. But you only move the rest to fine tune any difference between min./max. yardages pins. All other adjustments sould be done with the sight.

 

For example, you have a low left impact @ 20 yds. Move sight down and left to center the shot @ 20 yds. Then go back to 30 yds. shoot an arrow, adjust elevation with 30 yd pin only. Dont worry so much about left to right at this point. (do the same with each progressive yardage pin) Thus you have established pin gap that shouldn't be changed! Next do the walk back center shot. If you have a great amount of left/right grouping, adjust the sight. If you have fine adjustments to make adjust the arrow rest. Once you have made some adjustments to center @ max. yardage. Go back to 20yds and you should have a better point of impact then originally. If not you may have some canting, torquing issues to work on with your shooting posture. If things are going correct then do the walk back technique again to verify all is good. This should have you dialed in by this time.

[WHT_MTNMAN]

You are doing everything right, but since your rest is hitting I would resight in your bh and call it good for the season, you should take more time to get it right next year. IMO.

When I broadhead tune... I do just what you do and move the rest until a fieldpoint and bh hit together. I usually shoot 3 arrows a fixed head, mechanical and fieldpoint, when they all group together at 20 go back to 30 and make sure they hit the same, adjust small increments as needed. Then it really doesn't matter what head you use they hit pretty much the same... ( above will work if your not torquing your bow)

[TwoGuns]

Seems like you are getting plenty of good advice on how to adjust your bow. One thing that helps me make sure my arrows are flying well, is to shoot in the evening with Lumenoks on my arrows. It really helps to see the flight of the arrow downrange, especially if you have someone to stand behind you and watch while you shoot. Just a thought.

 

twoguns

[1denogean]

You are doing everything right, but since your rest is hitting I would resight in your bh and call it good for the season, you should take more time to get it right next year. IMO.

When I broadhead tune... I do just what you do and move the rest until a fieldpoint and bh hit together. I usually shoot 3 arrows a fixed head, mechanical and fieldpoint, when they all group together at 20 go back to 30 and make sure they hit the same, adjust small increments as needed. Then it really doesn't matter what head you use they hit pretty much the same... ( above will work if your not torquing your bow)

 

This to me is the most critical thing when im shooting or sighting in a bow, hav people watch you from different angles and maybe that will help change alot of things.

[bobbyo]

Since you are in Tucson. I would strongly suggest you take your bow into Saguaro bait and tackle and have Jesse look at it. Jesse is a pse expert and an all around nice guy. He will tell you exactly what you need to do and will not charge you for his great advice. You will thank me later I guarantee it.

I am concerned about your rest being maxed to the right. I am wondering about fletching clearance. The rest may be mismatched for the bow. Your arrows under or over spined or you are way out of tune. Saguaro bait and tackle. 5552 East Speedway - Tucson, AZ 85712 745-0003

Bob

[BigBfever]

You are doing everything right, but since your rest is hitting I would resight in your bh and call it good for the season, you should take more time to get it right next year. IMO.

 

if your hunting right now don't even worry about anything but getting the tip you use in the field dialed in, if you are starting in Jan. you have plenty of time. I went through the same thing last year it really sucks but when it comes down to it, you want to know what your bow will do when that buck is in your sights. your on the right track good luck

[bobbyo]

you stated," great group but low left". I went to move my rest up and right..............

 

Not sure why you are moving your rest and not your sight if your rest have been adjusted to give you !00% down range arrow flight. ie, center shot and paper tuned.

 

+1.

 

Have I missed some technique to match Field tips with Broadheads. Bgirdler is saying he is taking a tuned bow shooting at 20 yards. Then adjusting his rest to match where his Broadheads are flying and everyone is saying he is doing everything right. Isn't he just adjusting his bow out of tune? If he is doing it right could you guys re-post the link. I have nothing to do for the next 12 days, so i might as well break down my bow.

Bob

 

[SDHNTR]

Google and download the Easton arrow tuning guide. It is the bow tuning bible. Provided your arrows are properly spined and you are not getting any fletching contact (rule this out first!), you should be able to get your broadeads to group together with your field points. Get them grouping together regarless of where they hit on the target. You make rest adjustments to accomplish this FIRST, then you move your sight so that the arrows hit the bullseye.

 

You mentioned another problem that nobody has adressed. The broadhead blades should not be hitting your riser. If they do, your arrow is simply a bit too short. Cut the arrow so that the broadhead is out in front of the riser at full draw.

[skyhawkbowhunter]

If your group is low & left, you would need to move the sight down and to the left (not up and to the right).

As mentioned, do any adjustments on a calm day.

 

What bow do you have? Model, draw length, poundage? Arrows and spine? Perhaps the arrows are not spined correctly.

 

I know sight moves to the shot (opposite direction shots need to go), if i tune rest then to get arrows to go right then rest would go right correct? Just waiting for a calm day that I am free now.

 

I have a PSE Nova, 29", 63# draw, Easton Game Getter AL arrows, don't rememeber spine. A guy in the archery dept at Sportsmans who i know knows his stuff very well told me they were the right ones. 125grn tips, field and bh, also recommended by sportsmans guy.

Does your Nova shoot well mine has problems with consistency every now and then. My nova is at 28'',57# draw

 

[bgirdler]

If your group is low & left, you would need to move the sight down and to the left (not up and to the right).

As mentioned, do any adjustments on a calm day.

 

What bow do you have? Model, draw length, poundage? Arrows and spine? Perhaps the arrows are not spined correctly.

 

I know sight moves to the shot (opposite direction shots need to go), if i tune rest then to get arrows to go right then rest would go right correct? Just waiting for a calm day that I am free now.

 

I have a PSE Nova, 29", 63# draw, Easton Game Getter AL arrows, don't rememeber spine. A guy in the archery dept at Sportsmans who i know knows his stuff very well told me they were the right ones. 125grn tips, field and bh, also recommended by sportsmans guy.

Does your Nova shoot well mine has problems with consistency every now and then. My nova is at 28'',57# draw

 

so far it has been very consistent and accurate. any inconsistencies have been traceable back to my shooting.