Never had a problem with AZGFD until now

[John O]

I share this only so others can learn from what happened this year with my son's Jr. javelina hunt. If this is already general knowledge, then at least I learned something. I put him in for the Jr. javelina hunt in 33 first choice and general rifle 33 second choice. He was drawn for general rifle, so I figured the Jr. hunt tags were all drawn. Not so. There are 53 left overs. Evidently the first 20% of the tags are drawn for those who have bonus points, then the second choice is looked at. This makes sense to me for general hunts, but not for Jr. hunts. Only juniors can apply, so this means that those 14 or under (who have a bonus point from hunter safety) have a less likely chance of being drawn for the first choice junior hunt. So anyone (juniors or not) who is putting in for a 100% draw odds area who wants to get that tag, needs to put the same unit down for their first AND second choice. This is the only way to ensure you are drawn for that hunt (assuming there are left over tags). I am not one to fight the system, but I did want to get the word out, in case anyone did not know you could do this on the application. Happy hunting!

 

 

 

[Red Rabbit]

In the 20% bonus pass round for those with the most BP, you can draw your second choice if the 20% has been met/filled for the first choice, and then never be considered for your first choice in the following round for the regular draw. This has happened to others also.

 

Did you get clarification from G&F that putting the same hunt number down twice would not get you rejected?

 

Putting the same choice 1&2 would eliminate the "problem", but also decreases the chance of drawing your next choice since it would be in the third draw round for choices 3-5. For species like elk or mule deer with less than 100% odds, doing that would make it an all-or-nothing scenario for the one choice.

 

Hope your son and you still have a good hunt in 33.

 

Doug~RR

[Red Rabbit]

Here is a previous discussion of the 20% pass causing a similar situation.

http://forums.coueswhitetail.com/forums/in...amp;#entry82355

[John O]

In the 20% bonus pass round for those with the most BP, you can draw your second choice if the 20% has been met/filled for the first choice, and then never be considered for your first choice in the following round for the regular draw. This has happened to others also.

 

Did you get clarification from G&F that putting the same hunt number down twice would not get you rejected?

 

Putting the same choice 1&2 would eliminate the "problem", but also decreases the chance of drawing your next choice since it would be in the third draw round for choices 3-5. For species like elk or mule deer with less than 100% odds, doing that would make it an all-or-nothing scenario for the one choice.

 

Hope your son and you still have a good hunt in 33.

 

Doug~RR

 

 

Yes, you can put the same number down twice, and it won't get rejected. I knew about the 20% initial BP draw, but I was not aware of the work around. I only share so others can avoid my situation in the future.

[Red Rabbit]

G&F could make it so the 20% pass only applies to the first choice, but then there will be applicants who wish it would apply to both choices. Seems changing the system to fix one deficiency will create another.

 

Perhaps there could be a box on the app to check if one only wants the first choice to be considered in the 20%, and this would leave the possibility for others to have both 1&2 choices considered if left unchecked. But this would require the applicant to understand or learn how the draw works, and I suspect only 1 of 100 now know how your situation may arise and how the draw works. The bonus pass data for each hunt is on the web, so an applicant might be able to predict if they may have your situation result based on their hunt choices and #BP.

 

Good to know that putting the same hunt number twice is one solution.

 

Doug~RR