bowsniper Report post Posted November 12, 2008 Here are some interesting questions about obama's qualifications to be President: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=...mp;pageId=80710 Posted: November 11, 2008 1:00 am Eastern "Therefore do not fear them, 'For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known.'" –Matthew 10:26 Hold on. Just a minute. Not only was there no landslide and no mandate, there was no election. The Electoral College doesn't even vote until Dec. 15. And there's one thing that may stand in their way from affirming last Tuesday's popular vote: the Constitution. For the electors to uphold the Constitution that they're sworn to do with their upcoming vote, they must first know for sure that the candidates meet the basic constitutional requirements for the office of president. He must be a natural-born citizen, at least 35 years old, and have at least 14 years of residency in these United States. That's not a lot to ask. Pretty basic, really. And pretty easy. Either you are a natural born citizen or you aren't. Just deliver the original birth certificate and everyone can be on their way. That's just what Phillip J. Berg has asked the United States Supreme Court to do. And the Supreme Court has asked for a response from Barack Obama along with the Democratic National Committee and Federal Elections Commission. And they have until Dec. 1 to respond. Surely a guy couldn't get this far without meeting the basic requirements, could he? Turns out … he could. Especially if the political party whose job it is to verify that their candidate is qualified has a conflict of interest – they want their guy to win. That's why there's a clamor to see if those basic requirements are actually met. Not extreme. Not fringe. Just constitutional. Obama says he's qualified? Phil Berg, multiple legal suits and growing number of Americans say: "Prove it." Why is there any doubt? Exhibit A: The Grandmother's tape I was in the delivery room in [Mombosa,] Kenya, when he was born Aug. 4, 1961. – Obama's paternal grandmother This is the link where Obama's grandmother says Barack Obama is a native Kenyan. Here's the phone call where Obama's grandmother says Obama was born in Kenya. While politicians are known for it, grandmothers seldom lie. Exhibit B: No birth certificate Experts have called the Certificate of Live Birth posted online a forgery. Phil Berg reported on my Faith2Action radio program yesterday, "It's clearly been altered," which invalidates it, according to the document itself. Berg added that there is no indication even on this certificate as to specifically where the birth took place. And it turns out that Hawaiian law at the time allowed people to register for this non-hospital short form certificate (without a doctor's signature) up to one year from the date of the child's birth. Exhibit C: The matter of Indonesian citizenship Only Indonesian citizens could attend Indonesian schools at the time Barack Obama attended school in Indonesia where was registered as Barry Soetoro. His citizenship was listed as Indonesian and his religion as Islam. There was also no dual citizenship at the time. If he was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather, he would have forfeited any U.S. citizenship he may have had, just as when a child is adopted in America, he or she becomes an American. Exhibit D: Travel to Pakistan U.S. citizens were prohibited from traveling to Pakistan in 1981 when Barack Obama made his visit – likely with a passport other than a U.S. passport. Exhibit E: Immigration back to the U.S. According to Phillip Berg on my radio program yesterday, if Barack Obama went through immigration as he re-entered the United States, he would have become "naturalized," which also would not qualify him to become President. If he did not, said Berg, there is a likelihood that he is now an illegal alien – not even eligible to serve in the U.S. Senate. In fact, Berg suggested there has been no evidence that Barack Obama legally changed his name from Barry Soetoro. In addition, according to U.S. law, from "Dec. 24, 1952, to Nov. 13, 1986," a U.S. natural-born citizen at the time of Obama's birth must be: 1. A natural-born citizen; 2. Born to two U.S. citizen parents; OR 3. If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least 10 years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16. Since Barack Obama's father was not a U.S. citizen and Obama's mother was only 18 at the time of his birth, she failed to meet the legal requirements of U.S. residency for at least five years after the age of 16. Here's the bottom line: either the Constitution matters or it doesn't. And if we're willing to ignore the constitutional requirements for the highest office in the land, what else are we willing to forgo? That part about free speech? Freedom of the press? Freedom of religion? If we are willing to shred one part of the Constitution, brace yourself to lose the rest. Matthew 10:26 said it best: "Therefore do not fear them, 'There is nothing covered that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known.'" The question is whether it will come in time to avert a Constitutional crisis. If you are a Democrat or Republican elector who cares about the Constitution even more than your party, please email me directly at jfolger@wnd.com. You are sworn to uphold the Constitution with your vote next month, and making sure the constitutional requirements are met is vital for you to uphold that oath. Members of Congress also need to step up to the plate since they are the ones responsible to approve the vote of the Electoral College. They can be reached at: 202-224-3121. Seems to me a defender of the Constitution like Rep. Ron Paul would be a natural plaintiff in the case to verify that constitutional requirements have been met. Other members with courage to stand need to stand now or forever hold their peace. Our Founding Fathers were right; the Constitution is still worth defending. Rise up and speak up while there is still time. Go Phil Berg's www.ObamaCrimes.com and join the fight to defend the Constitution. Please forward this to everyone on your e-mail lists. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyhawkbowhunter Report post Posted November 12, 2008 What i dont get is i need my birth certificate to play football at school but he doesnt have one to proove he's american born, and he's the president! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertBull Report post Posted November 13, 2008 Exactly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
az4life Report post Posted November 13, 2008 This is somewhat older news. Media would have not let go of this if it was a Republican candidate, but it was ignored and just plain swept under the rug since April when it first came up. Pitiful that BO was not Vetted better, but I guess they did all they needed to since they had the media in their corner it would not be an issue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tommat Report post Posted November 13, 2008 You guys are starting to worry me. Let it go already. He won. Give him his 4 years...if we aren't better off then, out he will go. I find it hard to belive that any media or reporter would sweep under the rug the biggest story in history...if there was a way to prove this they would be set for life. I am sure they have tried and found no merit! If there was any possible truth to this it would have been revealed already...talk about conspiracy theory! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tommat Report post Posted November 13, 2008 Here are more links ...maybe a little more balanced: Politifact.org AP Forbes UPI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertBull Report post Posted November 13, 2008 You guys are starting to worry me. Let it go already. He won. Give him his 4 years...if we aren't better off then, out he will go. I find it hard to belive that any media or reporter would sweep under the rug the biggest story in history...if there was a way to prove this they would be set for life. I am sure they have tried and found no merit! If there was any possible truth to this it would have been revealed already...talk about conspiracy theory! We worry you, but this guy doesn't? " My first priority will be to reinstate the assault weapons ban as soon as I take office. Within 90 days, we will go back after kitchen table dealers, and work to end the gun show and internet sales loopholes. In the first year, I intend to work with Congress on a national no carry law, 1 gun a month purchase limits, and bans on all semi-automatic guns."--Barack Obama, VPC Fund Raiser, 2007 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tommat Report post Posted November 13, 2008 We worry you, but this guy doesn't? " My first priority will be to reinstate the assault weapons ban as soon as I take office. Within 90 days, we will go back after kitchen table dealers, and work to end the gun show and internet sales loopholes. In the first year, I intend to work with Congress on a national no carry law, 1 gun a month purchase limits, and bans on all semi-automatic guns."--Barack Obama, VPC Fund Raiser, 2007 Worrying about whether he's the anit-christ, a terrorist, a religious radical, a Kenyan, whatever is a little different than his policies. It's starting to sound like spilled milk and poor losers. I really enjoy the discussions here about policy. As a registered independent I used some info right here to do some research that help me decide my '08 vote for the McCain ticket. Part of what drove me from the republican party was stuff like the swift boat ads and the McCain fathered a "darkie child" telephone assault in South Carolina in '04. I really distrust personal attacks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TAM Report post Posted November 13, 2008 If BO's birth certificite isn't a legitimate concern then why is the US Supreme Court asking for it? I'm not in favor of witch hunts either but if there wasn't at least a little concern I don't think the Supreme Court would get involved. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tommat Report post Posted November 13, 2008 The guy who is stirring all this up appears to be a loonie. He is a lawyer who is in trouble with the Pennsylvaina supreme court and insists the US Gov't blew up the twin towers on 9/11. ""Berg is playing on the vulnerability of people who intensely dislike President-elect Barack Obama, and using his inflated accusations to solicit money from the public. He constantly exaggerates or misrepresents the facts. In early September persons acting on his behalf claimed there was a "court order" for Obama to produce a birth certificate. No such order existed."" one of many links here: click here Are we sure this isn't getting mixed up with the Hawaii Supreme Court?? Hawaii Reporter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bowsniper Report post Posted November 13, 2008 I am sure they have tried and found no merit! If there was any possible truth to this it would have been revealed already... That's just a little too passive, sheep like. The media loves him so much, I wonder if they would actually disclose anything bad on him. Like the LA times refusing to release the tape of obama snuglin with some bad people. Mark Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tommat Report post Posted November 13, 2008 I am sure they have tried and found no merit! If there was any possible truth to this it would have been revealed already... That's just a little too passive, sheep like. The media loves him so much, I wonder if they would actually disclose anything bad on him. Like the LA times refusing to release the tape of obama snuglin with some bad people. Mark Sure I'll buy maybe a a dozen or two reporters / media types covering this up, but of the tens of thousands out there, I am sure there were quite a few that would give their right arm to break this story if they could find proof. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jamaro Report post Posted November 14, 2008 this thread is funny.. it is the same guys that used to post that picture of the crying baby saying it was the new democratic symbol... and the guys that said get over it when Kerry had more votes... QYB.... it is over... You are either with us or against us... Oh Crude... I sound like that dude bush.... We should stop wasting energy on stuff like this and put it to something important like Sportsman's Rights... J Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fatfootdoc Report post Posted November 14, 2008 I agree with Jason, Election is over, Obama won, I hope he is able to make a difference for the better!! Ok so now I have reupped my NRA membership for 3 more years, and think that instead of whining, we should be looking at how to best protect our interests, by supporting the groups which will help us ensure that our gun rights are not infringed etc. We have to face the fact that the country voted for change that Obama promised, if he fails to deliver he will be out in 4 years!! we just need to do what we can to support our country and mind our rights as residents of the greatest country in the world!! ag Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertBull Report post Posted November 14, 2008 What is it you guys are not understanding? The SUPREME COURT of THE UNITED STATES wants a response to the allegations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites