Rosemont Mine

[SilentButDeadly]

Follow the link to a .kml that opens in Google Earth from Save the Santa Ritas website.

 

http://www.scenicsantaritas.org/

 

You can look at it to see what areas will be affected by the proposed mine development. click on 'New SkyTruth images of the Rosemont Mine (requires GoogleEarth)'

 

Tyson

 

[DesertBull]

Is that in the Helvetia area? I saw the biggest buck I have ever seen on the old experimental range.

[IHunt2live]

Is that in the Helvetia area? I saw the biggest buck I have ever seen on the old experimental range.

 

No the mine will be just over the hill from helvetia.

Old experimental range? are you talking about the Santa Rita Experimental range?

I'm supriesed you knew about helvetia. Not to many people do, not much left there. My father in law owns some land out there and shot a coues just up in the hills from there. For those of you who don't know about helvetia, its an old mining town and this is all thats left.

 

[tommat]

This mine MUST BE STOPPED! I am glad copper is falling hard in price. Rosemont is one of my favorite places to hunt, trail ride with my wife and quad with the kids....we need this strip mine like a hole in the head!

[Sundevils79]

This mine MUST BE STOPPED! I am glad copper is falling hard in price. Rosemont is one of my favorite places to hunt, trail ride with my wife and quad with the kids....we need this strip mine like a hole in the head!

 

 

I work in the copper mining industry and based on your radical statement above I take great exception to the fact that you are happy that copper prices are falling. I don't quite know how to say it nicely but what a ignorant statement. You should really do some research before you open you mouth to the impact that copper has on the economy of this nation and more importantly the State of Arizona. Whether or not you agree with the Rosemont mine i could care less but when you start talking about being happy about falling copper prices you sir directly affect my lively hood. I am not sure what you do for a living but I sure would not go around hoping that your business would fail. There are many many members of this forum who's living is made mining copper so I'm sure you have not made many friends today.

[SilentButDeadly]

Sundevil79, are you saying you are for the development of the Rosemont mine? I'd like to hear your perspective.

 

Its obvious tommat uses this area for recreation; do you use that area to hunt? How would you feel if your (or another) company decided to develop your favorite hunting area?

 

I understand the defensiveness about your job, and tommat's comments were insensitive, however I think the majority (maybe I'm wrong) of the people on this forum would rather see an area such as Rosemont conserved for hunting, rather than developed.

 

Tyson

[Sundevils79]

Sundevil79, are you saying you are for the development of the Rosemont mine? I'd like to hear your perspective.

 

Its obvious tommat uses this area for recreation; do you use that area to hunt? How would you feel if your (or another) company decided to develop your favorite hunting area?

 

I understand the defensiveness about your job, and tommat's comments were insensitive, however I think the majority (maybe I'm wrong) of the people on this forum would rather see an area such as Rosemont conserved for hunting, rather than developed.

 

Tyson

 

 

The price of copper falling to the levels it is currently ($1.68 /lb) is not good for any of us and anyone who thinks otherwise is just an uneducated, ignorant individual. Personally I consider myself a conservationist as well and I will agree most of you that open pit mines are not the most glamorous of activities but on the other hand I also feel that God gave us this earth for our use. I think that mining along with logging or any other utilization of our natural resources is necessary for the survival of our civilization and unfortunately for all of us these resources are not always found in the undesirable areas of our earth.

 

With regard to the development of the Rosemont mine it sucks that it is in such a nice area (one of which I do hunt) but there are many nice areas in the state of Arizona (and much better hunting areas) and in the realm of things you are talking about an very small area of impact in retrospect. I would urge all of you reading this thread to take some time and click on the link above as there is a lot of info (some slightly tilted as this is an opposition website) and make up your own mind. I have read through the executive summary of the operating plan and it appears to me that the mining company is promising (this is the key and honestly I can't guarantee they will live up to their promises no more than any of you can say they won't) they will minimize the impact as much as possible and have developed a reclamation program once the mine is done.

 

The bottom line is everyone needs copper products, which is great as long as no one is mining the copper in my backyard right? I would love to hear from one person who can honestly say they live a copper-free life before they start spouting of about the big bad mining companies. Kind of reminds me of a tree hugger who lives in a wood house or a bunny lover who wears leather shoes....its called being a hypocrite.

 

Once again this is only my opinion of the subject mater and i support everyone's right to state their opinion, just doesn't mean I have to agree with it.

 

Jay

 

[rimhunter]

I have to say Im with Sundevils on this one . I under stand both sides on this one but feeding the family and havening a roof over your head is more important then a recreation area . If copper prices get much lower this will be bad for Arizona . You who dont work in the copper industery dont under stand what this will do . a lot of you will loose your jobs over this one . and yes I know what its like to have my hunting spot talked about being used for mining there talking about doing it to mine I dont like it but think its in the best interest of everyone in Arizona and the USA . There's other places for me to hunt and ride my fourwheeler just like there is for you.

Bruce

[DesertBull]

As the world's economy slips into recession, the price for almost all commodities will fall. We've already seen the price for a barrel of crude fall more than 50%.

 

Adding another mine won't help bring the price of copper up, in fact, it will add more copper to the market, helping keep prices down.

 

 

[rimhunter]

I dont think you understand what this means . Desertbull you talk about oil where do we get it ? from people who dont like us very much they take our money and may use it to harm us .

A lot of the copper mines are on there last leg they wont be producing copper in the next 10 to 20 years . if we dont get some other mines opened we will be getting our copper from China thats right China do we wont to give china the hand up on us .I dont. I think we give other countries to much of ouy money and power already we need to take some back .

Like I said befor there working on a mine in the area I hunt and am very sad that it my not be there but I know its right for us all

Bruce

 

[DesertBull]

I wasn't saying we should or should not open the mine, I was just saying that falling copper prices will continue until the economy turns.

 

Are these mining companies required to return the land to a somewhat original state when the mining is done or do they just close down and leave all their big holes, rusty equipment, and crumbing structures?

 

Believe me, I am for using our own natural resources rather than import them.

[COUESAZ]

The mines have a strict reclamation program i believe. My father in law that works at the copper mine in thatcher used to help on the reclamations. As a Recreational miner I like to see the prices rise like they did this last year. But my family does not rely on it. I have two brother in laws and a father in law that do rely on it to live. I agree that to say we like to see the price drop in ignorant at the least. I am a plumber and buy my lunch every day with scrap copper money. So it is the difference between Carls JR bbq burger or the dells deal at dell taco. with out mine we would be worth nothing as a country. We need the working man in this country. Folks that mine,drive cross country trucks, fix our plumbing, fix our electrical, AC in AZ. I am for Jobs for the working man. As much as i hate to see land gone from hunting i would rather see people working and not waiting for our new pres elect to save them. This is a touchy issue and not good or bad either way.

[Non-Typical Solutions]

Maybe we should start using copper bullets?????

 

Just kidding guys................

[stanley]

This mine MUST BE STOPPED! I am glad copper is falling hard in price. Rosemont is one of my favorite places to hunt, trail ride with my wife and quad with the kids....we need this strip mine like a hole in the head!

 

 

I work in the copper mining industry and based on your radical statement above I take great exception to the fact that you are happy that copper prices are falling. I don't quite know how to say it nicely but what a ignorant statement. You should really do some research before you open you mouth to the impact that copper has on the economy of this nation and more importantly the State of Arizona. Whether or not you agree with the Rosemont mine i could care less but when you start talking about being happy about falling copper prices you sir directly affect my lively hood. I am not sure what you do for a living but I sure would not go around hoping that your business would fail. There are many many members of this forum who's living is made mining copper so I'm sure you have not made many friends today.

 

 

So it's OK for consumers to bear the brunt of high copper prices???? You 'take great exception to the fact that someone is happy copper prices are falling'??? Do you take exception to someone being happy about falling oil/gas prices???

 

I say let the market dictate the prices.... I am absolutely happy when the price of copper falls! Aren't we all happy when the price of gasoline (oil) falls? What's the difference (other than you happen to make your living off of it...?)? I'm in the credit/money business. Am I happy when the price of money falls? No, but the vast majority of people are.... I don't take exception to it. FYI; The price of ANYTHING falling directly affects someone's livelyhood.... We're all in the same boat.

 

S.

 

 

PS: My dad was a geologist & mining engineer. I grew-up on copper! Copper put me through college, so please know I don't have anything against the industry.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Snapshot]

I don't think the original poster meant any offense, but just a statement made out of frustration. I have seen the area in question and what is happening there. A very beautiful and multi use area is going to be destroyed for all time. I live on the other side of the mountain from the mine and there has been some speculation as to what will happen to the ground water, as alot of us are on wells.

I have friends and in-laws that work for the mines and have seen what happens when lay-offs and wage cuts take effect. I am all for a boost to the local economy and the jobs the mine will create, but am also saddened by what will be lost in the process, it is certainly a double edged sword.