Why do they keep doing this?

[AZBIG10]

21 minutes ago, Roosevelt Mark said:

That is not going fix a dam thing. Wrong way of thinking this through 

It can’t be fixed.

[trphyhntr]

2 minutes ago, AZBIG10 said:

It can’t be fixed.

It can, we’re morally bankrupt. Gotta start with that

[mc68]

5 minutes ago, trphyhntr said:

It can, we’re morally bankrupt. Gotta start with that

I couldn’t agree with this statement more…

[HuntHarder]

1 hour ago, trphyhntr said:

It can, we’re morally bankrupt. Gotta start with that

Agree.  Fixing that is almost impossible at this point.  Finding a solution to try and curb mass shootings is almost non-existantant minus meeting force with force.  

[Roosevelt Mark]

4 hours ago, HuntHarder said:

Agree.  Fixing that is almost impossible at this point.  Finding a solution to try and curb mass shootings is almost non-existantant minus meeting force with force.  

Exactly,  fight fire with fire. 

[CouesFanatic]

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

[ShutYourLib]

On 5/31/2022 at 7:17 PM, CatfishKev said:

Also in the minority here. I wouldn't be opposed to the tax stamp for an AR. But I also agree with edge and Roosevelt mark. Armed guards in schools, metal detectors and a tax stamp for semi auto rifles I could live with. 

Sometimes the right is as deeply entrenched as the left with not wanting to budge on an issue. This is one of those situations where something needs to be done and the above ideas combined are a good solution imo. A compromise is sometimes better then the all or nothing attitude that both the right and left have. 

Also, side note here. I think schools really need to crack down on the bullying. Some kids get ripped so hard at school they often feel like there is no way out for them. They are a bottle of rage that wants to be released, it's not surprising that alot of these shooters have this type of background. No it's not justified at all but when these kids snap it's not really surprising to me. 

Sounds good just after a tragedy has happened. What will come next if your proposed idea of tax stamps fails to stop the next psycho?  There will be a push for more laws and regulations. There are more guns than people in this country. If you cannot guarantee 100% removal of all firearms, including police, then don’t try to infringe on my right to protect myself. 

[ShutYourLib]

On 6/1/2022 at 7:21 AM, AZBIG10 said:

Would you rather engage a perp with a bolt action or a semi auto if you were without a force multiplier?

 

 

 

 

Kidding me? Stop splitting hairs. What if it was a bolt action 50 bmg, or .338 lapua, etc. your solution is to try to limit the lethality instead of finding a way to deal with the crazy azz-hat?

[CatfishKev]

38 minutes ago, ShutYourLib said:

Sounds good just after a tragedy has happened. What will come next if your proposed idea of tax stamps fails to stop the next psycho?  There will be a push for more laws and regulations. There are more guns than people in this country. If you cannot guarantee 100% removal of all firearms, including police, then don’t try to infringe on my right to protect myself. 

Not my idea, and I did not suggest that just the tax stamp would stop anything.  Only suggested that it could be part of an overall solution to help curtail this particular type of shooting. Not to stop it completely.

Honestly, I'd take the tax stamp option for ARs over the loss of all the crap Joey is trying to take away. 

[CatfishKev]

36 minutes ago, ShutYourLib said:

Kidding me? Stop splitting hairs. What if it was a bolt action 50 bmg, or .338 lapua, etc. your solution is to try to limit the lethality instead of finding a way to deal with the crazy azz-hat?

I don't see to many swat guys holding bolt actions in their photos.  If they are the same why aren't they using them. 

[ShutYourLib]

The whole thing just sucks. Sucks that the media and social networks jump on the removal of rights bandwagon. What’s the real agenda?  Nobody cares about the record number of overdose deaths we are facing. Opioids are now the leading cause of death in the US for people under 40.  Pull up some you tube videos of Kensington Philadelphia and watch just one city overrun with these opioid zombies, yet free use drug laws continue to be applauded and celebrated when passed. We let people rob stores without fear of prosecution.  Our society is morally bankrupt - defund police, eat the rich, implement universal basic income, minorities in other cities can shoot each other in record number and nobody cares, court cases where parents are pitted against each other and one is fighting for the ability to start hormone therapy on prepubescent children so their CHILD can begin transitioning to the opposite gender (and winning that right).  Nobody talks about the number of documented cases where firearms save lives or stops crime, see http://Reddit.com/r/dgu for a small example.  Our country is fractured and the RIGHT to bear arms might be the straw that breaks it.  
 

seems everyone lives for what is happening on the current day. Wasn’t too long ago when sales of guns shot up, lots of anit gun people started singing a different tune when mobs of rioters and protesters threatened their little slice of heaven, or when the uncertainty of a new virus started to spread and lockdowns and shortages started to become widespread. We are not a European country, we are not Canada or Australia.  We have a deep history with firearms, even protected by our constitution. Start taking our rights, and they will never be back and they will never stop.  There will always be a crazy idiot that will be able to get a gun in a country that has more guns than citizens.  The only solutions I see are implementing a better method for the media reporting, defend our schools - hire vets, police, or some other trained and armed group of Individuals to take these crazies out as soon as they start. Nobody allowed on school grounds unless they are escorted by the security. 

[ShutYourLib]

11 minutes ago, CatfishKev said:

I don't see to many swat guys holding bolt actions in their photos.  If they are the same why aren't they using them. 

I was just trying to make the point that there are some very lethal rounds, much more so than a .223, that would cause massive damage if used, even if from a bolt action. Especially if you have 40 minutes of uncontested time.  
 

So what are your thoughts on semi auto handguns? After all, the types of rifles the swat teams are holding are responsible for only 3% of all gun related homicides. 

[CatfishKev]

13 minutes ago, ShutYourLib said:

I was just trying to make the point that there are some very lethal rounds, much more so than a .223, that would cause massive damage if used, even if from a bolt action. Especially if you have 40 minutes of uncontested time.  
 

So what are your thoughts on semi auto handguns? After all, the types of rifles the swat teams are holding are responsible for only 3% of all gun related homicides. 

I don't disagree on lethality. And the 40 minute time frame was very unusual.

And yup it's all hypocrital primarily driven by what the media reports.  But now the media has done a good job of swaying public opinion on black scary guns. I'm pro gun but I can live with a compromise over losing everything. 

[ShutYourLib]

15 minutes ago, CatfishKev said:

I don't disagree on lethality. And the 40 minute time frame was very unusual.

And yup it's all hypocrital primarily driven by what the media reports.  But now the media has done a good job of swaying public opinion on black scary guns. I'm pro gun but I can live with a compromise over losing everything. 

i hope you’re right and that it will be an actual compromise.  unfortunately, history tells us otherwise. my thought is that everyone is bowing down to make a compromise so “they” will be happy…. until next time; oh and I don’t believe “they” will ever be happy.  It’s a huge, sad problem, but there needs to be a pragmatic approach and not an emotional reaction. 

Curious, will there be a point that you will not be willing to compromise?  What is it? 
 

[JSR]

42 minutes ago, CatfishKev said:

I don't disagree on lethality. And the 40 minute time frame was very unusual.

And yup it's all hypocrital primarily driven by what the media reports.  But now the media has done a good job of swaying public opinion on black scary guns. I'm pro gun but I can live with a compromise over losing everything. 

They wont be satisfied with a compromise. It will their foot in the door. Their stated mission is to go door to door confiscating every gun they can find. Look at England. They got all of the guns then went after knives.