CALLING ALL DEMOCRATS

[az4life]

I think people are voting for the idea of what Obama represents rather than who he is. He just won't stand up with any objective scrutiny.

That is part of it for sure. These guys are not the best choices but they are who we have to choose from.

I cannot believe any sane thoughtful person would vote for the inexperienced person in the times we have now.

It is sad that race is playing a lot in this election and no matter what the outcome, it is also sad that it will not bring the country closer in race relations.

 

 

[JHAM357]

I think people are voting for the idea of what Obama represents rather than who he is. He just won't stand up with any objective scrutiny.

That is part of it for sure. These guys are not the best choices but they are who we have to choose from.

I cannot believe any sane thoughtful person would vote for the inexperienced person in the times we have now.

It is sad that race is playing a lot in this election and no matter what the outcome, it is also sad that it will not bring the country closer in race relations.

i want to know why when a white says they dont want to vote for obama because he is black it is any different from a black person saying they are going to vote for obama because he is black. im so sick of hearing about race. race aside the guy is still an idiot, and from what i saw the ony race BO cares about is the full blooded african american he is(or wishes he could be)

[.270]

ok, all you jokers read this. it's an article from the nytimes in 1999. way before W got elected. when your hero clinton was in office. now all o' you obama supporters tell me again why this is a republican problem? and tell me again how obama is gonna fix it? once again, the only thing that will fix the economy is hard work and ingenuity by the American work force. the entire world is sitting on their hands waiting for America to fix the problem. and raising taxes, on anyone, ain't the way to do it. raise the taxes on the rich guys and they just raise their prices. that us average joes have to pay.

 

read it and weep. Lark.

 

 

 

September 30, 1999

Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending

By STEVEN A. HOLMES

In a move that could help increase home ownership rates among minorities and low-income consumers, the

Fannie Mae Corporation is easing the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other

lenders.

The action, which will begin as a pilot program involving 24 banks in 15 markets -- including the New York

metropolitan region -- will encourage those banks to extend home mortgages to individuals whose credit is

generally not good enough to qualify for conventional loans. Fannie Mae officials say they hope to make it a

nationwide program by next spring.

Fannie Mae, the nation’s biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the

Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure

from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits.

In addition, banks, thrift institutions and mortgage companies have been pressing Fannie Mae to help them

make more loans to so-called subprime borrowers. These borrowers whose incomes, credit ratings and savings

are not good enough to qualify for conventional loans, can only get loans from finance companies that charge

much higher interest rates -- anywhere from three to four percentage points higher than conventional loans.

’’Fannie Mae has expanded home ownership for millions of families in the 1990’s by reducing down payment

requirements,’’ said Franklin D. Raines, Fannie Mae’s chairman and chief executive officer. ’’Yet there remain

too many borrowers whose credit is just a notch below what our underwriting has required who have been

relegated to paying significantly higher mortgage rates in the so-called subprime market.’’

Demographic information on these borrowers is sketchy. But at least one study indicates that 18 percent of the

loans in the subprime market went to black borrowers, compared to 5 per cent of loans in the conventional loan

market.

In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending, Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk,

which may not pose any difficulties during flush economic times. But the government-subsidized corporation

may run into trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to that of the savings

and loan industry in the 1980’s.

’’From the perspective of many people, including me, this is another thrift industry growing up around us,’’ said

Peter Wallison a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. ’’If they fail, the government will have to

step up and bail them out the way it stepped up and bailed out the thrift industry.’’

Under Fannie Mae’s pilot program, consumers who qualify can secure a mortgage with an interest rate one

 

 

 

 

[NativeRat]

270. -- Fannie May and Freddie Mac bought up loans originated by bankers and mortgage brokers. No one held a gun to the heads of those fat cats to originate those loans. And even if this began with loosening up things under Clinton so lower-income people could have a shot at the American dream, you can't ignore the fact that the last 8 years the creeping problem could have been dealt with. How is it NOT the problem of whoever ran the country for the last 8? Truth is -- both parties bear blame. Now, regardless of who is to blame, the middle class got shafted, we are paying 700 billion (just the beginning Congress tells us) and Wall Street traders get to keep their multi-million-dollar bonuses from 2007 and 2006. (Do you remember last year at Christmas hearing about the MILLIONS these people were getting in bonuses? Here is a refresher, in the event you feel like being sick: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/12/21/...in3638560.shtml ) But I am supposed to be angry at lower class schmucks for trying to buy a house? Give me a break.

 

Anyhow, this is a hunting forum, and that is what I love to do, and what will decide my vote. On election day, I will be wearing my t-shirt from TexasHuntandFish.com that says "Fish.Hunt.Vote." and I bet non-thinking people will guess I am voting Republican. I aint.

 

First: I think both candidates are pure politicians and full of b.s., both power-hungry, and they both scare me in their own ways. That said, I am voting Obama because I hope he will do more to preserve the environment, and gun rights are no longer an issue after the Supreme Court's decision in that D.C. case. Obama isn't taking anyone's guns away, and its silly for people to think that any administration could do that. Especially not now that it has been held to be a personal individual Constitutional right. Obama is not a "radical" environmentalist -- he supports off shore drilling. But his administration is far more likely to stop BLM's wholesale give-away of BLM and USFS land to mineral and gas companies, and maybe even amend the Mining Act of 1872 -- in other words -- save some public land where hunters can use our guns and bows.

 

League of Conservation Voters gives McCain a zero on his environmental voting -- but LCV might be a bunch of hippies fixated on global warming, so, whatever. What is more scary is how McCain is seriously into nuclear energy without talking about where the uranium comes from. Do you know how many active uranium claims there are around the Grand Canyon including the Kaibab and strip? (A: over a thousand. And it took a federal judge to enjoin drilling this year). And McCain talks about smart growth, but one of his big contributors has been Don Diamond. In 1991 and 1994 McCain wrote special bills in Congress to trade big chunks of public lands to Don Diamond for development. On the other side of the thing, Obama's web site spouts the usual stuff about conserving the environment, but when it gets down to specifics, he only says: 1) he voted against drilling the ANWR; and 2) he supports the Roadless Area Conservation Rule (in USFS lands). It is a choice of evils, for sure.

[tommat]

NativeRat....great post...as a registered independent, I don't just blindly vote for the republican or democrat party...takes lots of reading, watching and thinking..........leaning hard for McCain right now...90% sure...unless something really big happens to change it.

[El Fuego]

I support Obama, the last 8 years are one reason, the last 2 weeks are another reason, the next 10 years are the last one. Republican control of Congress over the last 20 years has helped to create the market situation we are in right now (see Phil Gramm/John McCain to know what I'm talking about), and no I don't think the current Democratic Congress is any step forward, rather I see it as a step back, they are pathetic.

 

I believe that there needs to be a radical shift in this country's energy policies and economics. Instead of funding Saudi and Emirate princes' luxury jets, palaces, and toys (>$800 billion a year in oil export money), why don't we make some of our own energy -- and not the kind that gushes? The 'next wars' to be fought over oil are already being fought, why don't we remove ourselves from the equation?

 

Are you afraid of Obama because he is black? democrat? liberal? change? Bob Herbert of the NY Times had an outstanding OP ed on September 9th about being a liberal... How many of you have ever benefited from civil rights? women's rights? social security or unemployment insurance? medicare or medicaid? Are any/all of these things fundamentally wrong?

 

I'm not afraid of losing my gun rights or my hunting rights, there are too many democrats who back guns (and basically all republicans), and hunting is a STATE governed issue so it shouldn't matter that Palin hunts, what should matter is the difference of a heartbeat from being the most powerful person on the planet. Bush was a hometown people's-person who America felt they could connect to, look at how he did.

 

Tyson

 

Is socialism a radical enough change for you? Buckle up if Obama is elected.

[ruffcountry]

Yea , Chairman Maobama , he will refreeze the artic and stop the oceans from rising .

 

[az4life]

Everyone that is worried about Oabama-ssiah needs to take a step back to gain some perspective.

 

OBAMA is not alone in his desire to strip you of your guns and take more of your money through Taxes, Fees, and redistribution plans. He may not be able as he said "even if I want to" take your guns but what about banning the lead ammo, and restricting access to powder and primers, and on and on.

 

OBAMA has his 2 amigos (Pelosi and Reid) that are just waiting for a chance to push the whole enchilada liberal agendas through new sweeping legislation. This IS the brewing of the perfect storm for Liberalism. IF the House, Senate, and President are all Liberal, we are all screwed beyond what any of us can imagine. Pelosi is even planning on bringing in special sessions ASAP if BO is elected. You can bet it won't be to plan the republicans going away party. Next, look at the Judicial branch. How many justices on the supreme court are these liberals likely to push through in 4 years.

With the ACORN driven false voter registration and thousands of Dead people being added to the voter rolls, plus the various states with no identification required to vote, what do you think they are gearing up for?

 

 

[m gardner]

I believe that the electoral college will elect the president, not the popular vote. It's always been that way. All we can do is to elect who we can to tip the scales towards some sort of sanity.

Mark

[hookedoncoues]

It scares me to think that there are people that hunt and own guns that think that OB is not a threat to our right to own guns! I Have heard alot of people that say that they will not vote because neither one of the candidates are worth a ##$#!

People have died in this country so that we would have the rights and the freedoms that we do. One of them is the right to vote.

I'm not a political person, but I think that it is important to excersice your right to vote or it could be gone!! There are people in this world that would die to be able to vote, and there alot of people in this country that take it for granted.

 

I dont think that McCain is going to be the best but he is the lesser of two evils.

[m gardner]

The president is elected by the electoral college not by the popular vote. We were never trusted with that responsibility. Some officials are appointed by other officials and not elected like Supreme Court Justices. We elect the rest and try to balance out any insanity by doing so. The senators and representaives that are up for re-election need to be looked at and that's where our concentration needs to be because we do elect them by voting.

Mark

[az4life]

About Barack Obama-ssiah on guns.

 

FACT: Barack Obama opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms. He voted against the confirmation of Alito and Roberts and he has stated he would not have appointed Thomas or Scalia.17

 

FACT: Barack Obama voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and confiscate “assault weapons,” but the bill was so poorly crafted, it would have also banned most semi-auto and single and double barrel shotguns commonly used by sportsmen.18

 

FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1

 

FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.15

 

FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3

 

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition.9

 

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2

 

FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4

 

FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.5

 

FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6

 

FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

 

FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7

 

FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”8

 

FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9

 

FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10

 

FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11

 

FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12

 

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13

 

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2

 

FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14

 

FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase restrictions.16

 

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9

 

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9

 

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9

 

If Obama wins, a lot of us will continue to cling to our Religion, and we all will be holding OUR guns between him and us..

“So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them….”

-- Barack Obama, April 2, 2008

[4Falls]

Sad days are coming for sportsmen and gun owners. The most liberal President with the most liberal Congress and the most liberal Senate. Thus, paving the way for the most liberal Supreme court nominees. In comes the UN with a voice in our legislation. Out goes even more of our tax dollars.

 

Im voting against Obama, but I feel its a done deal already.

[Rembrant]

Anybody see the Youtube clip of Farrakan refering to Obama as "Messiah"?

 

Mike

[jamaro]

Did you guys see McCain address the other day.. "Hello my fellow Prisoners" WHAT THE heck... He has lost it.... Is he having flashbacks???

 

J