marlin Report post Posted August 25, 2021 So with the ban of cameras going into effect next year, what else can we expect from our AZGFD ? And oh don't forget about no hunting around water with in a 1/4 of a mile . And don't forget another crappy law no archery hunting with in a 1/4 mile of a structure /building , how did this ever even get past . ( Someone in AZGFD must of had a situation with a bow hunter or not) When it comes to unethical hunting ((This is a very slippery slope one might say )) THEY could make it seem like everything We / as in hunters are doing something bad or Unethical . Food for thought . [ Ethical or Unethical , unfair advantage ?? ]15x56 swarovski binoculars and BTX Spotter, Twin spotters , Range finders , scopes with ballistic turrets, long range guns , long range muzzleloaders , compound bows with range finders and slider type sights , the use of a bird dog , bassboat with a fish finder, [BEST OF ALL WHAT about a Game Wardens - that HUNT ,in the UNIT that they patrol would that be considered UNETHICAL /unfair advantage] the list could go on . Depending on who wants to input there own views or what they don't like . As hunters we need to stand together as one. EVEN if you don't like them or even if you don't use them .I use cameras mostly to see what's out there , at this time I haven't killed any thing( just time and batteries) from a camera, ( like many of you , I have had my own problems with people taken them ,I would like to say they borrowed them at some point I might get them back ,but NO THEY FLAT OUT STOLED THEM.)it's a tool , just like my quad ,side by side ,spotter ,binoculars, etc but Mostly with the cameras , it was something that we as a family did together . (We )me and my boy would set cameras and after a while pull the sd cards ,we all would sit by the computer and check out what's on them deer ,pig , bears , LOST PEOPLE with back packs, Etc . What's are our options ,now that this is done ? Can we start a petition to get it changed ? Or can we get the people in these positions REMOVED .If so how many signatures would it take ? Can we make AZGFD to show us proof of how these cameras are soooooo bad .Is there any groups , Guides or Outfitters ,Trailcamera manufactures starting a lawsuit , Big box stores helping to stop this stuff from happening ? I also understand that in ''some Units'' it's very bad , with camera's on tanks ,people stealing them , or just damaging them . Sound like they might need to do more law enforcement out there. Add a few decoy cameras with tracking devices into them and catch a few of these AKA bad guys . Let me know your thoughts . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigbuckfever Report post Posted August 25, 2021 I personally love trail cameras. I have yet to shoot an animal I have a pic of. No problem there, but up by the big ditch, there is big money involved and AZGFD is morphing into big brother more than it's there to manage wildlife for our enjoyment. I always prefer less bureaucratic involvement. Some will say "get over it". My response to that type of comment involves a didgit 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JSR Report post Posted August 25, 2021 The next thing coming is a total ban of lead bullets. It's already being pushed by the bird huggers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zslayer Report post Posted August 25, 2021 You can not hunt within a 1/4 mile of water!? I was not aware of this law? When did this happen? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trphyhntr Report post Posted August 25, 2021 Too long did not read 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AZLance Report post Posted August 25, 2021 range finding scopes, live view fish finders, radios... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildwoody Report post Posted August 25, 2021 Guides. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flatlander Report post Posted August 25, 2021 While I do not agree with the trail camera ban, although I hate what trail cameras have become in this state. Seeing a dozen or more cameras at a water hole disgusts me. The pictures of outfitters with their prized collections of hundreds or thousands of cameras makes me want to vomit. However, AZGFD doesn't have the authority to resolve this issue. The rule as currently written is ridiculous and unenforceable and will make the problem worse, not better. It has made a criminal of a father who puts out 2-3 cameras with his kids prior to a hunt while leaving a litany of loopholes open for those who are commercializing hunting. I am interested in your comment about hunting around water. I am not aware of that rule being in place anywhere other than the Big Bo ranch, where it is a ranch rule and not an AZGFD requirement. However, with the increase in OTC tag sales and the improvement of many other hunting tools and methods, not hunting water is a tool we may want to consider more. I heard someone once state that we cannot continue to improve the pump without also improving the well. In the case of hunting, so many advancements have been made that increase efficacy (trail cameras, optics, rangefinders, etc) that increase in harvest is inevitable. Because the # of deer we have in this state is not increasing at the same rate that harvest is, we either have to limit efficacy or reduce opportunity. With so many deer being harvested over water, one option for maintaining OTC archery opportunity might be to disallow hunting over water instead of converting the archery hunt to draw only. This would preserve opportunity while also reducing efficacy. Would you rather give up sitting water or have OTC hunts converted to a draw? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lancetkenyon Report post Posted August 25, 2021 2 hours ago, zslayer said: You can not hunt within a 1/4 mile of water!? I was not aware of this law? When did this happen? Only on certain private properties, like the Big Bo in unit 10. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HuntHarder Report post Posted August 25, 2021 Wtf did I just read? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AZBIG10 Report post Posted August 25, 2021 Hopefully they ban the commission and auction tags. Instead of a governors tag. Make an Eagle Scout tag. Give a kid 365 days to give it a go. Not some dude on a horse with a pack of guides and a satchel of gold coins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zslayer Report post Posted August 26, 2021 If I become the governor of AZ can I keep the governor tags for myself!? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4huntrs Report post Posted August 27, 2021 The next thing will be rifle primer ignition on muzzle loaders and magnifying scopes. Just guessing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites