4huntrs Report post Posted June 11, 2021 Just a curious question. How does banning or limiting cameras give one guide an advantage over another. “If they both follow the rules”. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HuntHarder Report post Posted June 11, 2021 41 minutes ago, huntlines said: Exactly my point. So let’s say the next day you kill said bull you took a picture from your truck the day before. You post picture of said bull on a social media site and G&F show up at your door to cite you. Kinda a stretch but seems people here think it’s going to happen. This is what we have come to? Difference is, you are actually physically taking the picture, not sitting at home letting your trail camera take the picture... 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huntlines Report post Posted June 11, 2021 10 minutes ago, HuntHarder said: Difference is, you are actually physically taking the picture, not sitting at home letting your trail camera take the picture... But according to some on here you have to prove that. Did the picture come from a trail cam or a hand held camera? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Desertguide Report post Posted June 11, 2021 15 minutes ago, 4huntrs said: Just a curious question. How does banning or limiting cameras give one guide an advantage over another. “If they both follow the rules”. It has to do with time in the field. A regular hunter might have a handful of days to scout. Trailcams would be a huge advantage to him because he doesn't have to be there to see the animals movement or the caliber of the animals that are moving through the area. Guides or Outfitters... like AZ Groundpounders who are for the ban... have far more time in the field and don't really need trailcams to find the big ones. I am proof of that. I've helped put some stud desert muleys on the ground without ever using a trailcam to locate them because I'm able to be in the field 10x as much as a regular hunter. Guides that want this ban know full well they will have less competition for the big animals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huntlines Report post Posted June 11, 2021 16 minutes ago, 4huntrs said: Just a curious question. How does banning or limiting cameras give one guide an advantage over another. “If they both follow the rules”. I didn’t know guides were the problem Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HuntHarder Report post Posted June 11, 2021 I think that is exactly why guys hire guides! They simply do not have the time to go scout for themselves. I am all for guides benefitting from this. That is exactly why guys should hire guides. They put the ACTUAL time in the field and get to reap the rewards. In general, the relationship of trophy potential and time in the field should be proportional. No more sitting at home letting your 20 cameras do your scouting. If overall success rates do go down, great! This isn't a participation ribbon type of activity. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Desertguide Report post Posted June 11, 2021 8 minutes ago, HuntHarder said: I think that is exactly why guys hire guides! They simply do not have the time to go scout for themselves. I am all for guides benefitting from this. That is exactly why guys should hire guides. They put the ACTUAL time in the field and get to reap the rewards. In general, the relationship of trophy potential and time in the field should be proportional. No more sitting at home letting your 20 cameras do your scouting. If overall success rates do go down, great! This isn't a participation ribbon type of activity. My selfish side is actually for a ban because of everything you mentioned. I've talked about riding the fence and that's why I'm riding it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huntlines Report post Posted June 11, 2021 I find it funny how some use the argument the ban will help guides. Sure there are a few guide who don’t use them which it will help. However, the far majority of guides use trail cameras and a ton of them. commission meeting is very interesting. Valid points being made on both sides. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HuntHarder Report post Posted June 11, 2021 Has Josiah or Russ broke down into tears yet? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huntlines Report post Posted June 11, 2021 Great comments regarding this ban and issue is dividing the hunting community. Believe me this is only going to get worse. PETA and other animal groups are loving this! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huntlines Report post Posted June 11, 2021 Looks like a full ban is going to pass. Voting now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huntlines Report post Posted June 11, 2021 Blah, Blah, Blah just vote and stop preaching! Some of the Commissioners are cattle ranchers and biased. I thought this was about fair chase? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huntlines Report post Posted June 11, 2021 All you guides and hunter who have hundreds of trail cams, may want to sale them on EBay. Commission just voted unanimously to ban cameras completely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4huntrs Report post Posted June 11, 2021 Just to be the Devils Advocate. I guess they could ban hunting and then everyone could put their trail cameras out instead. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huntlines Report post Posted June 11, 2021 1 minute ago, 4huntrs said: Just to be the Devils Advocate. I guess they could ban hunting and then everyone could put their trail cameras out instead. It’s coming, heck then every year I’d have an elk tag…… 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
