eldonkey Report post Posted October 17, 2008 Um...Yes.... This unit borders Mexico.... The area from Nogales to the East is very hilly and mountaineous terrain.... I have seen Border patrol actually drive through the local golf course down there as we are golfing... looking for illegals. Be warry of the Santa Cruz River area, as well, as I myself have personally seen illegal traffic in that area. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MRL1984 Report post Posted October 19, 2008 I know from our encounters in 36A, unslinging the rifle gets rid of 12-16. Other encounters included the half dead guy standing on the side of the road, who I honestly have to say I felt sorry for, he is a human being. My personal favorite was the 3 guys that the helo noticed in a canyon on over from where I was. He landed down in the flats by the road and waited with two other vehicle units to meet them. Bad stories from BP that I've heard don't really involve anything happening to hunters or citizens. It is more to do with the folks trying to come over illegally that can't keep up with the heard and are left for dead. Sadly there are children that have died in those hills only to be found by hunters or BP. Last year the Agent I spoke with stated they had found an approximately 6 year old girl that had died while coming across not too long before the hunts started. 5. If confronted remember A. From a close border patrol frined of mine, Most illegals are NOT intent on doing you any harm, and are NOT running drugs, just folks looking for work B. He also says that its the 5% of them that will cause you trouble C. The 5% being those that are "mules" running packs of drugs D. Or the other half of the 5%, the Coyotes, the guys escorting the illegals, the guys with the guns Great information in this post. I work in Sedona and we get our share of them dropped off from the truck to pay back the coyotes. I am proud to say, I have managed to arrest a few for felony possession of forged instruments (fake id) which got them sent back to try again another day. The folks your seeing spend anywhere from 3-20 days walking through the desert without food or water. Only to be picked up and transported to various cities throughout America. They see America as a place for hope, and send chunks of their earnings back to Mexico to help their families, and pay off whoever got them here for say $2000.00. They are more than willing to tell you exactly how they got to where they are when you get them into booking. Of course they don't know anyone's name, but they do have a family member back home who gives the money to the coyote. I guess I don't worry to much about the illegals coming up to me while hunting since I have grown up hunting in 36A and B, as well as 34A and B. I didn't realize they were running in 34A You must be further South then where we were. They bother me less than the rattlesnakes, other than the trash they leave behind. Most of the ideas shared here are great pearls of wisdom. Having a buddy is nice, but my old man stayed down there 5 days alone the year before the 4 day hunt became a 6 day hunt. Never had a problem. Then again we haven't seen any coyotes or big packs. When we get to within 100 yards he lifts his rifle up at the same time about 12 illegals pop up out of a ditch and pile into his truck. We had a stand off (kind of just staring at eachother) for a minute or so and he then finally jumped in the truck and took off. Scary, to say the least, when you find them armed. Of course someone always meets the 5%. Here's to hoping its none of us! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firstcoueswas80 Report post Posted October 19, 2008 I just got back from a weekend scouting trip down there. I had my dog with me to help listen for trouble at night.. Didnt come across anything... but deer! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WinMag Report post Posted October 19, 2008 I know from our encounters in 36A, unslinging the rifle gets rid of 12-16. Other encounters included the half dead guy standing on the side of the road, who I honestly have to say I felt sorry for, he is a human being. My personal favorite was the 3 guys that the helo noticed in a canyon on over from where I was. He landed down in the flats by the road and waited with two other vehicle units to meet them. Bad stories from BP that I've heard don't really involve anything happening to hunters or citizens. It is more to do with the folks trying to come over illegally that can't keep up with the heard and are left for dead. Sadly there are children that have died in those hills only to be found by hunters or BP. Last year the Agent I spoke with stated they had found an approximately 6 year old girl that had died while coming across not too long before the hunts started. 5. If confronted remember A. From a close border patrol frined of mine, Most illegals are NOT intent on doing you any harm, and are NOT running drugs, just folks looking for work B. He also says that its the 5% of them that will cause you trouble C. The 5% being those that are "mules" running packs of drugs D. Or the other half of the 5%, the Coyotes, the guys escorting the illegals, the guys with the guns Great information in this post. I work in Sedona and we get our share of them dropped off from the truck to pay back the coyotes. I am proud to say, I have managed to arrest a few for felony possession of forged instruments (fake id) which got them sent back to try again another day. The folks your seeing spend anywhere from 3-20 days walking through the desert without food or water. Only to be picked up and transported to various cities throughout America. They see America as a place for hope, and send chunks of their earnings back to Mexico to help their families, and pay off whoever got them here for say $2000.00. They are more than willing to tell you exactly how they got to where they are when you get them into booking. Of course they don't know anyone's name, but they do have a family member back home who gives the money to the coyote. I guess I don't worry to much about the illegals coming up to me while hunting since I have grown up hunting in 36A and B, as well as 34A and B. I didn't realize they were running in 34A You must be further South then where we were. They bother me less than the rattlesnakes, other than the trash they leave behind. Most of the ideas shared here are great pearls of wisdom. Having a buddy is nice, but my old man stayed down there 5 days alone the year before the 4 day hunt became a 6 day hunt. Never had a problem. Then again we haven't seen any coyotes or big packs. When we get to within 100 yards he lifts his rifle up at the same time about 12 illegals pop up out of a ditch and pile into his truck. We had a stand off (kind of just staring at eachother) for a minute or so and he then finally jumped in the truck and took off. Scary, to say the least, when you find them armed. Of course someone always meets the 5%. Here's to hoping its none of us! Very good post, and how true for the most part. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lousyhunter Report post Posted October 19, 2008 While hunting in 36a last Jan, me and my friend had a bust go down by our camp and had 25 or so illegals running all around us at night. BP told us that if they approach us they are basically "giving up", and suggested we drive them to the road and they would pick them up. We werent planning on driving anyone anywhere, luckily never came to that. I think we felt somewhat safe with the strong presence of BP, they respond very quickly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
