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I've sat on this for the last two weeks and thought I could get some answers from the group who I think is responsible for the littering of our forest 2 weeks ago on the 11th. The group in question is the Deer Valley Ward out of Phoenix. They were on a father/son outing the 10th & 11th of May. They were camped north of Payson up off the Control Road. Their father&son outing was located on the road leading to the Geronimo Boy Scout Ranch. On Saturday it sounded like WWII for most of the day. Now I know they have a right to shoot their guns where they were but on this day every camp site was full up and down the road from theirs. It was very annoying and I would have thought they would have had a little more consideration for all the campers around them. This area has become very popular for weekend campers and especially popular for the father/son outings. For those of you who are not familiar with father/son outings they are fathers of the Mormon church who bring their sons on an over night camp out. I'm not exactly sure what goes on at one of these but I assume it's bonding with their sons and sharing their religious thoughts and beliefs among themselves. I don't have a problem with this and actually think it's a good thing for the kids. I have seen many of these groups over the years and the kids always seem to have a good time. We actually had a group camp next to us, this same weekend, on Peg's turkey hunt and they even ask us if they could have our permission to camp by us and told us that there would be around 75 father and sons. Of course they didn't have to ask us, since we don't own the woods, but it was nice that they did and it showed the respect and consideration that we have witnessed from many of these group outing over the past several years. Now to get back why I'm posting this. With all the shooting going on our one dogs kept herself hidden all day behind the bed and our lab just wanted to run down to see where all the birds were falling. lol Well, they finally quit shooting a few hours before dark and headed home. Thank God the other campers and us had some peace and quiet. Up until now I'm not upset because I have come to expect the shooting from those who have no consideration for nearby campers. We pack up Sunday and head for home when I notice clay pigeons broke all over the ground where the Deer Valley Ward had camped. I parked the truck, walked down, and took several pictures of the mess they left behind. They did pick up their empty shot gun shells but left dozens of rifle casings, shot up pop cans, and I don't know how many broken clay pigeons all over their camp area, in Webber Creek, and on the banks of the creek. I've seen my share of garbage and trash left behind over the years but I can't imagine this coming from a father/son group. It's not a very good example to set for the kids. I have tried calling the number given for their church and even tried calling during church services with not luck. I'm 99% sure it was the Deer Valley Church but if I'm wrong I will be the first to apologies. If it was them I wanted to ask if they could possibly go clean it up. There are fines for littering the forest and it might even be a federal offence to litter a national forest stream. I know I could turn them in but I haven't got real good evidence except for pictures and I would rather give them the benefit of the doubt to clean it up themselves. First of all I don't want to come on cwt and sound like I'm bashing the Mormon church, in no way am I, but if you are part of the Deer Valley Ward or know any of them could you bring this to the attention of those responsible for their carelessness in keeping our forest clean for those who follow in their footsteps. Thank you! TJ Casings and clays everywhere. Kind of hard to see them in this pic. Picture doesn't show justice. These were across the creek from camp. These in the water really didn't set right with me. Left behind for others to pick up Really!!! I picked up several of these. This actually looks worse than the pic.