Coues 'n' Sheep

Thanks for posting the pics! I like cub pics... I think they are way more interesting than "your average bear"!

It is not a matter of "If"....... it is just a matter of "WHEN".

Go South, Young Man..... Go South! I'm not laughing at you Beau.... I'm laughing with you!!!! On a Serious note...... Looks like you guys did everything right and recovered a FRICKIN' FANTASTIC BUCK!!!! Congrats to the Guide and the Hunter!!

i disagree with your quote as most 370-390" bulls never reach 400". when these bulls, "top end bulls," are consistently taken out of one reasonably small area then the genetic potential of the area has to suffer. there are not 400"++ bulls behind every tree, even in unit 9. When these bulls are killed they no longer pass on their genes and 370" bulls breed. although they are not small, they are not top end as the top end gets killed every yr in the same area. last yr. for example, there was not one 400" bull taken out of unit 9 in the archery, early rifle, or late hunts combined. it was an average yr. or better for horn growth and yet no 400" bulls. they have been getting hammered hard in that unit and two 400" type bulls, "top end bulls," out of the same areas year after year affect the areas potential to consistently produce these giants. no problem with the gov. tag, outfitters guiding them, hunters, or anything associated with the tag or hunt, just a simple observation. Hmmmm... So what you are saying is that all you Mossback guys are soooo worried about the elk in unit 9 that you are going to pull all you cameras out of the unit.... stop lobbying for SR and Auction hunters with pics of bulls that you guys have gotten on TC's in 9 over the last 2-5 years???? I think not..... I am pretty sure there are people with masters degrees in Wildlife Biology that have little better understanding of carrying capacities that will detremine what the herd can take.... not an open forum fired up by elk hunters that are not getting paid to hunt with the Big Dogs this year and therefore must remain on the porch..... Furthermore it has only been the "Bad Cop/Worse Cop" Routine between obvious Team MB guys that even brought up what unit the bull was from and Allegedly what part of that unit he was in at the time the Dirt Nap was invoked. As we all know.... when the bulls rub they move... and Wilbur could have been 30 miles away by then..... I mean seriously, if he was that easy to kill and he was the only bull they were hunting do you think they were camping for 9 days and decided to walk out and kill "the bull" on the 10th??? On a completely separate note.... comparing elk to sheep is like comparing cedar trees to century plants..... .....And for those of you that are doubters.... I underjudged a coues buck my buddy killed last week by 18"! I saw the TC pics and he said he thought 105"... I said 102"+ and the buck was taped at 121ish by a P&Y measurer....... I also have been looking at the scouting pics of Wilbur for months and had him at about 410ish.... I am told that many other VERY Qualified elk hunters mis-judged this bull on the hoof, and it is not the first time that has happened. I am quite sure that the Gentleman that tagged this bull does not give a Rip if anyone is "convinced" that the bull is that big....he wanted THAT BULL! The fact is the SCI score sheet is done and headed for the book.... I'd bet you can check it on line in the weeks/months to come if you really have to hold on that tight to the concept that "Team Mullins is Lying about the score!" Better yet, lets stand up and applaud what a great week this has been for the elk all over this state! If I am not mistaken this is one of the largest, if not the largest Auction bull ever taken on Public Land in AZ. A bull of this size taken on public land, will keep funneling those much needed $$$$ back to elk habitat in this great state for years to come!! I'd like to thank the man who purchased this tag, and I pray the tag goes for more $$$ next year! I think rather than turning this thread into a boo hoo, Bitter-fest..... maybe we can get back to the deserved congrats to the Hunter, his amazing Bull, and the great bunch of guys that helped him ground check that Bad Mutha!! A Huge Congrats to "the Guys" and to the very happy man that set his cap for Wilbur 2 months ago!!!! Here is a pic of Wilbur on the hoof.... he is a PIG! (I actually have the Green Light to post it up! ) CnS, This is Chad Rhoton, and yes I do guide for Mossback here in AZ. I am not sure what all you are referring to in your post, but let me get a couple things straight.... First off, I could give two cents about the bulls in unit 9.. While there are some great bulls to be had, they are not the biggest bulls around... In fact , the biggest bulls are more in your neck of the woods, but they can be a little tougher to get. There are big bulls all over this state, and those who scout hard can attest to it, not just in unit 9. Secondly, this bull was more popular than Michael Jackson. I know so many people that knew of this bull it was crazy.. I am sure you saw the fence sagging due to so many tc on it!!!!! Thirdly, those are mossback pics, that leaked out, not sure by whom but it is what it is, I dont know who biscuit is, dont really care. The video pics are from some amazing video I have of this bull. I watched this bull with my 4 yr old son for over an hour. We glassed him up and took off to get a better look. We snuck in less than 100 yards and just watched him and videod him, and the look on my sons face when he was sitting with me was awesome... Fourth, I never in a million years thought this bull was as big as he is.. I saw him and put him at 390's, i recently saw him, and he is much bigger than that.. I will say, the pics do not do the bull justice. I have never seen such a discrepancy between pics and the real bull. While I dont know how it was scored, and it doesnt matter... The hunter was pumped to shoot it, he is the one that bought the tag, and he hammered it. Congrats to the mullins and the hunter on an exceptional animal. Fourth, it is ok for people to have opinions,,, some like to be very fact based.. Some hate velvet scores, some dislike SCI, and some B&C and some dont care. Personally I am all about dipping the animal in water and having a universal scoring system. Lastly your comment about not being paid to hunt with the big dogs, I really dont care.. We have found PLENTY of BIG bulls for the average joes to go hunt, it doesnt hurt my feelings. We scout just as hard anyways, just ask Jim and Matt. Chad, Although no one was watching.... I was nodding my head in agreeance as I read your post.... I am certain my post was read as an attack but it was nothing more than an end to bad direction. I know you guys are out there workin' hard, too..... And you are right there are big bulls all over... but as long as there are 420-440 type bulls coming from places like 9, 10, 8, 3a/3c, year in and year out it is safe to say that the herd can handle it. From what I can see there are pleanty of Big Bulls to go around this year... A Giant like this is a fantastic way to open up the year and get everyone's juices flowing! I am very glad that you took the time to get over to the Taxi and hold the bull for yourself. This is about a Victory for AZ public land elk/habitat and a Very happy hunter.... bulls like this Prove that the management and habitat improvements are alive and working in this state! As you mentioned, everyone has a scoring system they like/dislike.... it does not matter how or who scores it, or where it ends up in any of the books.... what a Bull! Best of luck on the regular season.

Outstanding!!! Congrats to all and especially the parents who did this for theri kids!!! On a Separate note I new the second you mentioned Woody's name that if you had a pic of him he'd be cookin'!!!! That man can cook!

Welcome! I gotta know how you came by that handle!! Do tell!

Great buck... and Fantastic pics!!! There is nothing more cool to me than a Big Critter on the sky line!

i disagree with your quote as most 370-390" bulls never reach 400". when these bulls, "top end bulls," are consistently taken out of one reasonably small area then the genetic potential of the area has to suffer. there are not 400"++ bulls behind every tree, even in unit 9. When these bulls are killed they no longer pass on their genes and 370" bulls breed. although they are not small, they are not top end as the top end gets killed every yr in the same area. last yr. for example, there was not one 400" bull taken out of unit 9 in the archery, early rifle, or late hunts combined. it was an average yr. or better for horn growth and yet no 400" bulls. they have been getting hammered hard in that unit and two 400" type bulls, "top end bulls," out of the same areas year after year affect the areas potential to consistently produce these giants. no problem with the gov. tag, outfitters guiding them, hunters, or anything associated with the tag or hunt, just a simple observation. Hmmmm... So what you are saying is that all you Mossback guys are soooo worried about the elk in unit 9 that you are going to pull all you cameras out of the unit.... stop lobbying for SR and Auction hunters with pics of bulls that you guys have gotten on TC's in 9 over the last 2-5 years???? I think not..... I am pretty sure there are people with masters degrees in Wildlife Biology that have little better understanding of carrying capacities that will detremine what the herd can take.... not an open forum fired up by elk hunters that are not getting paid to hunt with the Big Dogs this year and therefore must remain on the porch..... Furthermore it has only been the "Bad Cop/Worse Cop" Routine between obvious Team MB guys that even brought up what unit the bull was from and Allegedly what part of that unit he was in at the time the Dirt Nap was invoked. As we all know.... when the bulls rub they move... and Wilbur could have been 30 miles away by then..... I mean seriously, if he was that easy to kill and he was the only bull they were hunting do you think they were camping for 9 days and decided to walk out and kill "the bull" on the 10th??? On a completely separate note.... comparing elk to sheep is like comparing cedar trees to century plants..... .....And for those of you that are doubters.... I underjudged a coues buck my buddy killed last week by 18"! I saw the TC pics and he said he thought 105"... I said 102"+ and the buck was taped at 121ish by a P&Y measurer....... I also have been looking at the scouting pics of Wilbur for months and had him at about 410ish.... I am told that many other VERY Qualified elk hunters mis-judged this bull on the hoof, and it is not the first time that has happened. I am quite sure that the Gentleman that tagged this bull does not give a Rip if anyone is "convinced" that the bull is that big....he wanted THAT BULL! The fact is the SCI score sheet is done and headed for the book.... I'd bet you can check it on line in the weeks/months to come if you really have to hold on that tight to the concept that "Team Mullins is Lying about the score!" Better yet, lets stand up and applaud what a great week this has been for the elk all over this state! If I am not mistaken this is one of the largest, if not the largest Auction bull ever taken on Public Land in AZ. A bull of this size taken on public land, will keep funneling those much needed $$$$ back to elk habitat in this great state for years to come!! I'd like to thank the man who purchased this tag, and I pray the tag goes for more $$$ next year! I think rather than turning this thread into a boo hoo, Bitter-fest..... maybe we can get back to the deserved congrats to the Hunter, his amazing Bull, and the great bunch of guys that helped him ground check that Bad Mutha!! A Huge Congrats to "the Guys" and to the very happy man that set his cap for Wilbur 2 months ago!!!! Here is a pic of Wilbur on the hoof.... he is a PIG! (I actually have the Green Light to post it up! )

Come on already...... Steven was posting and then quit!!! I gotta get to work!!!

Congrats on a great buck.... that is a dam nice frist deer!

Was it 3/8 or 5/8???? I can't even hear right anymore... I could have sworn Jimmy said 5/8".... Maybe he mumbled.... or I tuned out the ending cuz the middle was sooo WICKED! ....And you won't find any of these pics "floating" around till they have copyrights on them. I deleted all live trail cam pics of this bull that were on my computer a week or so ago.... just so I would not forward them anywhere! As soon as Matt gets done with the SR Hunter there is likely to be more to cheer about, but in the meantime I talked to Jimmy yesterday again and he is truly on cloud 9.... he has been watching this bull for months and there was no ground shinkage!! I will tell you that the bull has already been scored by a master SCI measurer out of Flag-town.... so the those that have heard an SCI score on the Bull.... it is probably the right one.... Congrats to Jimbo..... He.... Da Man!!!

Congrats on a great buck.

It depends on if the barrel is floated or not. Mine, I keep about 3/4" from the end of the barrel. Mine are floated... but I keep them 3/4" from the stock.... seems to work about the same for me where ever I put it on the barrel... but has more funtionality and looks better closer to the stock, IMO....

Good talkin' with you Rick. Thanks and see you late this week!

I just gotta say.... "Hey man Nice Shot!!" I don't care how big.... you Whacked him! That is two in a row!! That "Aim Small Miss Small" theory is workin' well for you buddy!! Here is that other pic! I am honored that you drive all the way to my house so i can score it for you.... that is cool.... gas aint cheep these days.

DANG! They were Whackin' and Stackin' um!!! That is awesome!! I love catfishin' and have not done it in years.... Question: How do you get those big flatheads to eat good?? I think they are mushy after about 12-15 lbs..... We swore to catch and release all the bigguns cuz of they were we terrible eatin'.... Tell You Dad Congrats!!! That is awsome!

That is funny right there! Popular spot, I guess! Congrats on the Trophy! It is just Awesome that you got to share that with your boy!! Come on January!!!!

I use them and like them as well.

Sorry bout your luck there Jason..... Looks like you had a dandy buck there. Keep in mind that having a blind, treestand or camera on a tank does not "Call" the spot for anyone and although it does show intent..... being in the blind first is what defines first come first serve.... I'da had to sleep in my blind for a buck that I knew was that good, if I had a tag in my pocket.

Congrats on a very nice buck.

Everyone is out chasin' deer while I'm stuck at my desk this morning as as luck would have it..... .... I could have Just Now shot a coues buck from my office window!!! That ought to be a good selling point on this house for some hunter, eh????

I didn't know you could smile!!! Congrats on the bird!!! Even though you probably shot it at MY spot!!!!

I WANT ONE!!!!!

Ya know..... I am gunna go out on a limb and put a pre kill guess on him at 393" gross. ....Even though we can't really see the top end or the beams that good.....

Great bull man.... hope you have a chance to slip an arrow in his ribs!