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Come on guys. Someone show the kid where some bucks are. If he really is a kid. Someone must know where a local forkee resides so the kid can fling some arrows. If he was down south I would at least show him the lay of the land. Bowhunter 12 just keep asking. If you live in Payson ask for info at the Walmart, at school or the local cafe. Payson people are very friendly and love hunting I am sure you will find someone to take you out and show you a few spots. In fact you may end up with a whole team of volunteer guides like I did on last years Elk hunt. Bob

GR 8 you have a great tag and a great chance to fill it. I believe that 33 has had the best success rate for coues the past ten years. The unit is huge. If you are willing to walk you will have no trouble getting away from people. Your one problem since there is so many choices is to not spread yourself too thin and try to hunt too many areas. Pick one and concentrate on it. A lightly hunted area is the west side of the unit. You can access canyons from Catalina state park. (hunting is legal in the park.) Bob

I believe the best cover scent for Arizona would be to roll around in a pile of fresh cow manure or put some fresh pies in a spray bottle. Let it ferment a couple of days and spray like crazy. Where in Arizona is there not cows? Stop wasting your money on all that other crap. Fresh Earth give me a break. Fox piss please. Don't have to thank me I love helping others

For the same reason I think the deer like to bed in hills covered with shin daggers even without ocotillos. Bob

I think deer will ignore muffler systems until the road hunter open up on them. Bob

They are hot as heck. If you can situate them in a shaddy area it is tolerable, but any sun hitting it will heat the room real quick. Even with the top vents open. Think prison hot box. Bob

After you have been drawn. Bob

Thank god for the Elk reintroduction program. I am sure the cattlemen were strongly against this also. Less browse for the cattle. The main difference I see between the elk and the wolf reintroduction program is that the elk can act like elk and do all the things that elk do. Eat, poop, bugle, reproduce, ect. The wolf has all these special un-Wolf like rules it must follow. The wolf can only kill deer and elk to live. It cannot kill the stupid easy to catch cattle or yappy house pets. The wolf must stay off the reservation and it must stay out of New Mexico(probably Germany too.) It can't have sex with its 99.8 % cousin. What is a Wolf to do? poor puppy. Bob

All you journalists, scientists and college boys are sure ruining this wolf debate. All your facts, case studies, citations and empirical evidence certainly puts a damper on the wolf haters arguments. Yet, it doesn?t answer the fundamental question. Should wolves be reintroduced to Arizona? and at what cost? Scientifically speaking is the wolf going to some how make the present day ecological system function better or is their reintroduction another vain attempt to manipulate the environment? I support a limited introduction of the wolves for my own selfish reasons. When I go in nature I like to envision it as pristine and fallow. The wolf in the woods adds to this illusion. Although I am pro wolf, the implementation of the reintroduction program has turned into a farce. It seems to be not only a wolf on welfare program(you writers need to give me a citation for that line), but a researcher/scientist welfare program that was orchestrated too close to population centers etc. Was this for the wolf or the researcher. There is also no incentive for the reintroduction people to make their program a success. How hard would you work if you knew that as soon as your job was a success you would be fired! I believe there needs to be a definitive time limit given to this project and the wolf needs to stand on their own four feet. If they can't make it, they can't make it. They became extinct here for a reason. Bob

Man those are great pictures. Look professional. I think I have seen Elk in this Meadow. They are very dangerous because you can see them from I-17 and I nearly cause an accident or run off the road when I see them. Thanks for the pictures. Bob

Where were you animal loving nature freaks last month when I needed you. Let me give you guys the readers digest version of the Wolf debate. First they are not wolves ,but mangy german shepards. They kill hundreds of cattle,elk deer, gophers and house pets(pretty good work for hybrids).The GOvt will not reimbuse you for your losses. All our hunting money either goes to feed the stupid mutts or to help prarie dogs screw. When man makes a sub species extinct they should stay extinct. Then a member named CHP offends nearly everyone on divergent topics ranging from, youth hunting to shooting condors. Where are you CHP? Did you get banned again? It has been boring without you. We need your talent to stir up a caustic debate. We need to get angry at your non- conformist anti-hunter rants(not anti-hunting). And we need more pictures of furry pistol handles. Bob

Same thing happened to my friends ultra-mag. If one of the rings is a little loose the recoil on these magnums will snap the rings. Bob

First off welcome to the sight. Alot of people are very knowledgeable and will help you out. You are lucky you asked this question on this site because we are all friendly here . I have seen similar questions asked on muzzleloading sites and have witnessed the ethics police hammer that person. Many hunters claim they will not take a shot at any animal past 150 yards with a muzzleloader. There is a good reason for this ballisticly your set up is similar to a 44 magnum. Would you shoot at an ELK at 200 yards with a 44 magnum? Anyway I have a chart below that will approximate your set up. This is with 100 grains of Triple 7. Three inches high at 100 yards will put you dead on at 150 and 8 inches low at 200. At 225 the bullet drops 13.5 inches. That is a 5 inch drop in 25 yards! It also goes below the 1000 ft/lbs that many people feel is the minimum for shooting big game. In a real world hunting situation this gives you little room for error. Say you set up on an elk at 200 yards and he suddenly walks 25- 30 yards away? I would suggest either getting closer to the animal or if your gun is capable, using 150 grains(be very careful). Which will increase your bullet flight to 2250 feet per second and make it a little flatter trajectory. Anyway, good luck and post some pictures of your elk. Bob p.s. We are all jealous of your elk tag. YRDS IN FT/SC FT/LBS mz -1.5 1800 2086 25 0.8 1723 1912 50 2.4 1649 1751 75 3.2 1577 1602 100 3.1 1508 1465 125 2.1 1442 1340 150 0.0 1380 1226 175 -3.2 1321 1124 200 -7.7 1266 1032 225 -13.5 1215 951 250 -20.9 1168 879 275 -29.7 1127 818

If that is the case what was his nickname? Could it of been"Tiny".

Wow, both of these deer are really impressive congratulations. Bret I was wondering if your Dad knew about this deer's exsistence before he shot it or if it was just a right place, right time scenerio. It seems from reading the posts that Mark was hunting his trophy for a while. Bob

I bought a six pack of innerlocs when they first came out. Maybe ten years ago. They looked tough and mean, but i could never get them to fly correctly. I would get radical fish tails in all directions. They may have changed their design since then or I might be a lot better at tuning my bow. Anyway shooting a coues the way you did is pretty impressive (although the ethic police may not approve). You probably only had a four inch window to thread the arrow in the way you did. I also believe any coues with a bow is impressive. Congratulations on your trophy (picture). What are these 'scent bombs' that you are talking about? Bob

Muzzy 4 blade 100 grain fly true. My best buddy uses 100 ultimate steel. Which works great also. Don't worry about the small cutting diameter. They will do the job. A tuned bow is really important Bob

Are you kidding? Congratulations. Hopefully we are all invited to the sheep tag party. Congratulations again! Bob

I think the multiplier method like Nevada's makes the most mathematical sense. Our "bogus Point system" does nothing to increase odds until you have not hunted for 7 or 8 years. Bob

Get out the arrow straightner, right Bowhuntinmaniac. If i find my old dozen in the shed I will send them to you. Bob

Hey Tex, Do you miss the chiggers, ticks and lets not forget the water moccasins. Texas is beautiful, but it has to be Arizona for me. Have not paid one tresspass fee in 30 years of hunting in Arizona. Would like to get one of those monster whiteails someday though. Bob

You will appreciate the extra weight at the range. I would develop a flinch real quick with a 6 LB STW. Bob

Doug, Why do you need a new sight every year? Wasn't last years sight good enough? Are your groups some how going to shrink with this new sight. Missing that P+Y was not your sights fault. Oh Sorry, I am doing your wife's job. Bob

Bones, Don't listen to these good ole boys. Go west on I 10 to Salome road go north a few miles. nothing but 110 inch whitetail and some great snipe hunting. Bob

I was wondering what the water hole situation is like. I know south of Tucson is in bad shape. Many tanks that are usually full at this time are bone dry. I am thinking of cutting the blue barrels in half to give the deer a drink. I hope the units east and north of Phoenix are in better shape. Maybe I will try for one of them great unit 22 October tags. Has anyone heard about forest closures or fire restrictions?