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Mark, I agree with you that more wilderness area is a good thing. I also believe that a tree hugger/hunting alliance may be the only way to preserve a non high fence hunting habitat for our children. I do believe that Center for Biological Diversitys ridiculous behavior during the "mountain lions in the school yard crisis"last summer in Tucson would have to put them in the anti hunter group. Yet just because they supoort a proposition does not mean it is bad. I would be more concerned about whether the big developers support the proposition or not. Bob

mulie hunter, You drove all the way from Arizona city! To scout for an 80 pound greyhound with antlers? Your friends on the strip must think you are crazy. For general information, one thing that I think the experts leave out on their glass glass glass advice is that you have to be in an area that is glassable. There are many places in 35 A that probably contain lots of whitetails, but I would consider unglassable due to the thick vegetation. I like to pick spots where individual cactus are visable. I figure if I can make out the different cactus forms I could also pick out a deer bedded. I will pm you with some spots to check out. Bob

thanks mikep I have some maps & did the g&f web stuff , I guess the easy part is done I'm not real sure on the access areas yet . how much problem are the IA's? should I keep a dog in camp? thanks mikep I have done some scouting (twice) And I did see some both mulies and coues does and 3 small bucks .how much prob. are the IA's and should I bring a dog for camp thanks mikep I have done some scouting (twice) And I did see some both mulies and coues does and 3 small bucks .how much prob. are the IA's and should I bring a dog for camp could I bring some evening female entertainment for you're camp? Only after the male bonding he-man get naked and play the drum next to the burning pallet night.

Andy welcome to the site and congratulations on your 36c tag you are going to have the time of your life. First off 36 C stinks as a unit for hunting. If I were you I wouldn't scout; waste of time and gas. No need to worry about actually shooting a deer. There really are no deer here. We put in for this unit as a ruse to make our wives actually think we are hunting. It is actually a Huge! Huge! beer blast. Forget the rifle, just bring a 32 oz. plastic cup so you won't have to wait too many times in the long keg lines. Some of the big boys recommend the 48 oz magnums, but I find that the kick is too harsh and I am still pulling out cactus from the last time I tried the 48s. Here is this years itinerary for the festivities: Thursday Oct 26: Battle of the camp stereos begins at dusk. Heavy Death Metal vs Mafioso Ranchera is the featured contest . My money is on the accordians this year. Everyone loves a polka. 10:00 pm sharp is the pallet burning contest. I can almost smell it now. Friday Oct 27: The ATV endurance race begins at dawn. The idea is to drive your ATV the entire day without stopping. (except for piss breaks of coarse). For Friday night activites see Thursday. Saturday October 28: "Wish we could round up all the illegals contest." The idea behind this one is to find the most disinterested border patrol agent in proportion to the number of illegals you report. Last years winner got a yawn and the shoulder shrug after reporting a group of 44. Saturday night festivities include the resight in your rifle contest combined with the spotlight the cactus contest that continues until dawn. Sunday October 29: "Race to Glendale contest." Break camp early. Drive back to Phoenix and see if you can scalp some of those Cardinal season tickets you are stuck with. There will probably be only one or two winner on this one, so you need to leave early. Losers have to watch the game. As you can see Andy this is going to be one heck of a weekend you need to rest up. No thanks needed, Bob

This should make it easy for you. Archery deer closes for all southern units today. 12a is open until the 28th. Bob

Josh nice goat. Congratulations. I helped a friend in unit 7 this year and it was extremely hard finding a nice goat. You should be proud. I am sure we passed by each other a couple of times over the weekend. Bob

I know people that have shot carp right off of I 10 shoulder in the Davidson canyon area. Not that smart, but perfectly legal as the DPS officer found out when he tried to arrest them. Bob

Same for me, Zeiss 15 x 45 really happy. Used on an antelope hunt and light transmission was not a factor, very suprised. Under 600 on ebay. love them.

Young hunter for a begginer your form looks pretty good to me. Nice loose grip. Good relaxed stance. I bet you are shooting pretty good all ready. From your hand position I think your draw length is ok as long as you are not locking your elbow, although Bow Nut may be right because I can't wear a ballcap and shoot. Something you might want to experiment with is your left arm elbow position. Where your elbow in now pointing at 7 o clock. I am not saying this is wrong, but you might get better shooting results if you could try roatating the elbow up until it is pointing at around 10 o clock. This will be uncomfortable to hold at first, but for some people they can hold their bow steadier and shoot better. Also it will move your forearm out of the way and you can lose the protector pad. Bob

They are eligible for the SCI book for those that have the 8500. Bob

Jumping a buck and getting a shot off is almost impossible with a bow unless there is milk on the bucks chin. You need to see the deer before it see's you. Which is real hard in thick cover. water or salt should be your most successful method.

My friend said,That Randy told him the Colorado buck is the biggest one he ever shot. Considering the Nevada buck from last year was 240+. It must score alot. I think I am starting to get a wee bit jealous. Bob

Where do you live? FYI. That stuff on the bow could add up to alot of money. I would strip it off before trading it in if it is reversible of coarse. Left hand bows go for a lot less on ebay ect. A shop should give you a pretty good deal since leftty bows tend to stay in stock a lot longer than right and they may want to liquidate. If you live in Tucson go see Jesse at Saguaro Bait and Tackle. He will give you a honest deal on a PSE bow and tell you what "stuff " on your right hand bow you could use on your left without ripping you off. He will also set up your bow and answer all your questions in a nice way where you will never feel intimidated to ask him anything. Bob

Bowhunters, we really need to comply with this or over the counter archery tags will be history. Bob

I respectfully disagree. They do care. They want a low success rate. In the 20% range. Lower success more oppertunity(money).

I am glad that I am not the only nut. Last year I remember a total break down and tune the day before season opener. Shooting through paper at midnight. What do the neighbors think? Bob

If they are bugling try to get as close as possible to the elk and use a hyper hot cow call. I have used the WoodWise model (arizona made) with success even though I was a beginner. The trouble will be the number of smaller bulls that come in. I do believe if you get close enough you can get the herd bull to check you out. Bob

What type of rest do you use to keep it well tuned. I have an obsession with my bows tuning. Bob

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I take off my shoes and put on an extra pair of socks when I am with in 150 yards. I only use the wind for scent control. The deer and my hunting buddies get to smell the real me. Bowhunter12 may I suggest two books to read. These are the only books that I know of that actually tell about western bow hunting. Both are by Dwight Schuh and they are dated, but still have valuable information on Western bow hunting. Hunting Open Country Mule Deer and The Bow Hunting Encycyclopedia. I reread these books every year and have learned alot. Bob

I almost forgot, nice shot Colorado Archer and congratulations on your antelope (thanks for sharing the distance). I have not hunted Antelope with a bow. Someday I will get a tag. From the way it looks, spot and stalking antelope must be one of North America's toughest hunts. Likewise hunting Antelpope with a rifle in my opinion is North America's easiest hunt for a big game animal. How about this as a proposal to increase tags(and lower success rates). Ban rifle and waterhole hunting for antelope. Spot and stalk with a bow only. G+F could increase tags by the 1000s and maybe I could draw one. Redbeard is right it is more about the hunt then the harvest. Bob

Redbeard like I said before I really respect your ethics. I just believe that with care under right conditions a long archery shot can be an ethical shot for that person. Personally I would rather have a 70 yard shot with feet planted firmly at an unaware animal that is broadside than a 28 yarder shooting from an akward position at a skittish deer. Of coarse my first experience bowhunting was for carp in wide open areas. Maybe if I started on coues first or eastern whitetail I might look at it diferently. I am all for dropping this and getting the teenager a deer. BoB

Well at least your consistent Redbeard. I really respect your ethics and willingness to express them. My observation about the distance question. Was just an overall observation of the sight as a whole. And not directed at any individuals. You may remember a few months back some guy used your basic argument (real hunters get close) toward rifle hunting and said there should be a limit to the distance a person should shoot. That person was hammered right off the sight with at least 4 pages of replys from many of the regular contributers to this sight telling that guy about their great shooting ability and how they could plug deer at distances alot farther than 500 yards. I believed them. When this is contrasted with a bow discussion about shooting distance where I believe the majority of contributers agree with your basic premise. I feel that bow hunters are reluctant or afraid of a backlash to reveal that they take shots at long distance. For example Treestandman and his 60 yard dilemma that he wouldn't reveal and coueshunter84 personally witnessing 100 yard kills. I wonder if he witnessed them from the business end of a bow sight? Back to my basic question restated. Why is it ok to be proud of your long distance rifle shots and not your long distance bow shots. I think it is a bias against archery.

I find it strange that rifle hunters on this sight think it is ok to shoot 500 yards or more at an 80 lb coues deer and even brag about it. Yet the bowhunter's believe that archers need to limit their range to a measly 40, 50, 60 yards . Does anyone else see some hypocrisy to this? If I told about an 82 yard kill with my bow I would get slammed. Likewise, I would get praised for my 487 yard rifle spine shot. Is this archery discrimination? Bowhunter 12 check out this chat room Archery talk. I have learned alot about bow tuneup and bow shooting. They do tend to get over technical and a lot of times I don't even understand what they are saying, but overall their advice will help you become a better shooter. I think for starters you have to make sure your bow is properly tuned and your arrows properly spined. A good bow shop or an experienced archer should be consulted. I find that many teenage archers use an arrow that is too light. For the speed that they gain to compensate for shorter draw length and lighter poundage they lose in accuracy to an under spined arrow. Bob, Ps. MJM Hunter I never thought about the peep sight in that way, great tip. I just find it hard to see my 20 pin when I am aiming with my 90 .

Even more reason to get the kid on a buck. Bass was obviously scouting(like we all do) instead of driving and now the kid dosen't even have a ride.