bonecollector777

Good point

Agreed. Or maybe even make a rule no cameras near water holes within a certain distance from a road. Most man made tanks and trick tanks are right off a road. Most natural water sources are a little ways in from a road and the tanks everyone puts cameras all over are usually easy walking and that's where most guys sit. I think either way if they do some ban regarding distance from water the strip cameras will pretty much be obsolete.

Nearly everything you said is not enforceable. They have no idea how many cameras a guy is using in the woods especially when he will just put different names on each camera. People don't usually put more than one camera at a tank anyway. With trail cameras the only option is either a complete ban, setting a certain distance from water they can be, or leaving it as it is now. I think for the average Hunter banning them isn't gonna cause an issue but the big losers in the deal will be guides and outfitters and those that have the time and money to run a bunch of cameras all year.

Yeah must buy point guard before the credit card deadline to get points back even to a non profit.

Drones have already been addressed in the regs for the past year.

Calm yourself. It has said that same thing for the last couple years since the portal came out. Everyone's says the same thing. 0 points and pending. It doesn't mean they are uploading for the draw. It won't change until they start loading results. I had the same question last year and everything is fine.

They had some major issues with the draw last year so it was about 2 weeks later than usual. Card charges weren't til April 1st and I think results about a week later. I'm guessing charges March 17th and results mid to late the next week.

Yes because that's exactly what I said. I know it all because I agree with not shooting animals within a quarter mile of a house. Remember back in the day when we used to be able to trap with footholds? Anyone know why that ended? Because some idiot decided to trap right next to houses and caught someone's pet. It took 1 instance to get trapping banned. We have all seen the uproar when animals die in peoples back yards or when non hunters see dead animals like that. We don't have a problem with it but there are a lot of people that do. Believe me if I knew there would be no issues arising from people shooting animals in backyards I wouldn't agree with a law like this. The way I see it is if the few guys that enjoy hunting in neighborhoods or behind houses refuse to give up 1/4 mile to avoid conflicts with non hunters then they don't care about hunting being banned for good in the future. I honestly find it hard to believe you can't find a place to hunt that's not within 1/4 mile of a house. Yes I agree it might be more convenient but it would also be more convenient to hunt in Grand canyon national park. But we all know we can't do that. Why do you think that is? To avoid conflict and for safety. If holding onto your 1/4 mile rather than going 1/2 a mile is worth ruining it for everyone then have at it. Sometimes you have to give up a little for the greater good of hunting. 1/4 mile is such a small amount to make a big fuss over it blows my mind. But apparently there are more guys than I thought that enjoy hunting near town. Maybe all the deer are so skittish near town because so many guys are hunting them. And maybe that's why they are making this law?

Except for its not their pet. It's a wild animal that they're probably not supposed to be feeding to begin with. While I can sympathize with a non hunter growing an appreciation for an animal they see every day and grow a bond with they should realize its a game animal and have realistic expectations of what could potentially happen to that animal.Not that I disagree with you completely but in their eyes it's just the opposite. They don't care that you think you should be able to kill the animal. They think it's their community elk and they will name him and expect that Noone should be able to kill them. While I'm on your side you have to see their side as non hunters. I'm not sure who hunts a quarter mile from houses anyway but I'd imagine you could find some animals a little further away from a house. I personally wouldn't mind if the law passes either way. First because I think people that claim to be hunters should get out and hunt rather than hunt off the back porch. Second it would avoid some of these stories of people seeing their community animal in their backyard die and then start a petition to end all hunting because they now hate people that hunt.I couldn't disagree with you more, for all of the reasons i mentioned above. Your response is emotional, and not scientific, nor does it take up for sportsmen in general. There are many states where you would have a hard time finding a place to hunt that is 1/4 mile from a house, so this sets a dangerous precedent. Whats more, there are 2 conditions in AZ that provide good hunting. 1) deep in the woods, a long journey down a rough road or in the wilderness areas, and 2) behind houses, where thr rifle hunters haven't shot everything to pieces. Please consider us blue collar guys who have limited time and resources to take off work, and have a hard time leaving the wife saddled with the kids for weeks on end while out fulfilling our hunting desires. If a law such as this passes, i personally will have extremely limited opportunities to fill a tag. Which is especially difficult when i can glass critters from my front porch. Please think of sportsmens rights in general, and not be critical over someone elses "easy" hunt. Im not thinking emotionally at all. I'm simply giving you the facts that just because you feel one way doesn't mean the people that feed them have to just give into how you think. We aren't talking about other states we are talking about AZ that has more public land hunting than almost anywhere in the US. I'm a blue collar guy myself that puts in for hunts that are 1 hour- 8 hours away from my house and I've done just fine being able to hunt my whole life. I've never done a week long wilderness hunt but I have had to drive a couple hours to hunt for a day. That's just the way it is. You don't have to leave for days on end to have a successful hunt. There isn't a place in az that you can't drive one hour and be 1/4 mile from a house. I don't know your situation but if you literally can't get 1/4 mile from a house in az to hunt something you're not trying. While I agree it's easier to shoot the deer that gets fed by people every day I'm not sure how you get satisfaction from a hunt like that. You obviously don't enjoy trying to hunt a animals away from homes because it's too far and hard for you to get in your truck and drive a little ways. I'm simply saying that just because you claim it's ok to hunt within a quarter mile of a house because they are game animals and the people feeding them just have to deal with that is stupid. Putting a quarter mile barrier from houses to avoid people killing people's "pet deer" is perfectly fine in my eyes. Obviously it's not their deer but if we can avoid killing Bambi in their back yard I'm all for it. Instances where non hunters or people that don't really care either way see a deer dying with an arrow stuck in it isn't gonna help us hunters in any way. Just because you feel they should deal with it doesn't make you right. This isnt a law to hinder hunters or to single out specific types of hunters. It's a law to avoid confrontation with non hunters so they don't have ammo against us to end hunting in general. If you can't deal with that and not hunt in peoples back yards I would call that selfish and attitudes like that is what is going to cause hunters problems in the future.

Except for its not their pet. It's a wild animal that they're probably not supposed to be feeding to begin with. While I can sympathize with a non hunter growing an appreciation for an animal they see every day and grow a bond with they should realize its a game animal and have realistic expectations of what could potentially happen to that animal.Not that I disagree with you completely but in their eyes it's just the opposite. They don't care that you think you should be able to kill the animal. They think it's their community elk and they will name him and expect that Noone should be able to kill them. While I'm on your side you have to see their side as non hunters. I'm not sure who hunts a quarter mile from houses anyway but I'd imagine you could find some animals a little further away from a house. I personally wouldn't mind if the law passes either way. First because I think people that claim to be hunters should get out and hunt rather than hunt off the back porch. Second it would avoid some of these stories of people seeing their community animal in their backyard die and then start a petition to end all hunting because they now hate people that hunt.

Shhhhh...don't tell my boss, but I think I'm calling in sick on Friday, March 17th! Want to focused on my credit card charges. LolJust check every 5 min while at work like everyone else. Probably the least productive day in arizona every year.Yup true. I actually have text alerts set up on my card so I'll know as soon as it happens. and I bet if it doesn't happen you'll still check your account all day

Bonerbob it was a joke if you didn't catch that

Now I'm gonna have to put in for 23 just because you posted this.

What were some of the rule changes proposed?

If you can avoid them I would. I researched them like crazy hoping to convince myself but everywhere I read they were bad news. A few guys here and there get lucky but by far the majority have had bad luck with them one way or another. Save up for one with the newer engine (2010 and newer I believe) or look for a different brand truck.

Flatlander thinks he's being sneaky getting everyone to get excited for 4b like it's some awesome elk unit. He knows he will never apply there and he knows I've hunted it in the past so the more people he gets to put in there it helps his odds in other units and he thinks it's hurting some of us that have hunted it in the past. Problem is noone I know around here who know the unit really well even applied there. It's a unit for guys that just like to get out and hunt or for younger hunters or hunters that don't care how big a bull they kill. Yeah you can get lucky seems like 1 or 2 guys every year kill a 360 bull or something but average bulls being killed there are 300-310"

Eh you're not hunting there anyway so doesn't matter one really big bull was killed there 5 years ago and a few bulls over 360 have ever come out of the unit. Odds have only gotten better in the unit since that bull was killed so maybe some more nice bulls need to come out of there. Post up some 3c or unit 10 bulls so you can get excited about your hunt.

I'm confused

Because it's been around for so many elk draws in the past. .

Maybe 1/4" in Heber. But it's melted now.

Dude I know you haven't hunted elk with your bow in a while but no need to go trying to get a doctor to get you a crossbow permit to get it done

Don't know how they did it but this is what the Instagram page said. However they did it it looks awesome though. I would have believed it had I not seen it. I think that's why they gave them the funny names too.

Just so everyone knows those bucks aren't real deer. I read on their fb page they wanted to have some fun and come up with what a deer would need to have to beat the world records or something. Still awesome looking though.

How hard would it be to make sure your card is updated?

Haha go for it I don't mind you blowing 11 points on 4b. Better odds for me since you wouldn't be in my units I applied for. But you put in for 3c and 10 so not tricking this guy.