bonecollector777

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PRDATR did you not get the hint that people hate when you ruin their posts? You have nothing to do with this topic so why go and post some other deal somewhere else on this dudes post? Stop being a complete retard and knock it off. If you don't want it don't comment on it.

I'm not sure the sheds match the bull that was killed in the picture. Their whale tails are different. The bull killed has his 5th and 6th at more of a closed angle. Almost at a 90 degree angle to each other. The sheds in the picture the 5th and sixth are a more open angle like 150 degrees. I would agree that both pics of sheds are the same though.

So I was pretty bored tonight and decided to read through practically every AZGFD law there is and I came across some interesting things. There are a couple so I will post them in a list 1.On the Game and Fish website they claim that it is illegal to carry any sort of firearm while archery hunting. According to ARS 17-305 it states the following: The possession of legal weapons, devices, ammunition or magazines, which are not authorized to take wildlife, is not prohibited while hunting if the weapon or device is not used to take wildlife. So which is it? If I am archery hunting and have a rifle "that is not authorized to take wildlife because it's a archery season" then what am I doing wrong by having a rifle with me according to the law? 2.Next is about spotlighting with a gun in the vehicle. According to the AZGFD website and according to everyone in Arizona, at least we think it is, it is illegal to have a spotlight and a gun in the vehicle. It also says this: According to the Arizona Game and Fish Department, spotlighting is shining any artificial light source to assist in the taking of wildlife. ARS 17-301 states that a person shall not take any wildlife using a jacklight or any other artificial light. ARS 17-240 B states this: Devices, excepting firearms, which cannot be used lawfully for the taking of wildlife and being so used at the time seized may be destroyed. So according to both rules and laws it is only illegal if you are taking wildlife. The spotlight has to be being so used at the time seized, or in other words you must be killing something with it at the time to make it illegal. 3. Next, concerns the number of rounds you can have in your gun while hunting. I found this one especially strange because they have two completely contradicting laws and rules. Lets start with the FAQ's on their website where someone asked this: Can I use a semi-automatic if the magazine is plugged to hold the legal number of cartridges? Which is answered: if the magazine contains a plug to hold the legal number of rounds it can be used. Now lets go to the actual Arizona Law ARS 17-231-3 which states this: Duties of the commission are to Establish hunting, trapping and fishing rules and prescribe the manner and methods that may be used in taking wildlife, but the commission shall not limit or restrict the magazine capacity of any authorized firearm. If you look in their regulations they state in their rules R12-4-303 A-3,4 the following: An individual shall not use or possess any of thefollowing while taking wildlife: 3. Shotguns larger than 10 gauge or shotguns capable of holding more than five shells in the magazine, unless plugged with a one-piece filler that cannot be removed without disassembling the gun, and that limits the magazine capacity to five shells; 4. Semiautomatic centerfire rifles with a magazine capacity of more than five cartridges, unless the magazine is modified with a filler or stop that cannot be removed without disassembling the magazine. How in the world did they pass that rule when the law specifically says it's illegal for them to do so? 4.Lastly, concerns using silencers when hunting. I'm not to sure about this one and have seen in some places there was a law passed saying you could use them while hunting. But back to the subject. According to ARS 17-251-A it states the following:The commission shall not adopt or enforce any rule that prohibits the lawful possession or use of a firearm silencer or muffler, including for the taking of wildlife or while hunting. Now lets go to the departments regulations as of this year. They state the following in rule R12-4-303-A.5:An individual shall not use or possess any of the following while taking wildlife: Contrivances designed to silence, muffle, or minimize the report of a firearm. Once again how can the commission pass a rule that is illegal according to ARS 17-251-A? These are just a few of the fishy and strange things the department has passed or led us to believe are illegal and who knows how many other rules are in place that are illegal. Just curious to know what you guys think about it and how the AZGFD can pull of stunts like this. Let's hear it!

117g, sorry I forgot to put that.

Yeah it's pretty sneaky of them to have it worded like it is. Basically they can take it whichever way they need to to convict you of something. I'm still not sure how they could ever prove that you had the intent to hunt like 123456 unless you were caught in the act. But I'm sure they could construe some story to get you in trouble because that's just how they are. From what I am seeing and the posts you guys are posting if you are out in the woods at anytime with a gun they could somehow manage to say you were hunting no matter what you were doing. Pretty ridiculous to me. Doesn't seem like it would be too hard to get out of if caught when explained to a judge but who knows!

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Ok so I read "take" and find that definition pretty broad also. Websters defines pursue as: To follow in an effort to overtake or capture; chase. If I am driving around spotlighting not look for any specific animal but just spotlighting and see a deer in what way am I following in an effort to overtake or capture or chase if I don't mess around with the deer and just look at it? Concerning Rule# 1,3,4. They aren't required to take this stuff out of their regulations? Everything I posted came from their 2012 Regs so any random person who doesn't know better would think that's the law. That should be illegal in itself to post false information in your regulations. And I agree about everything written being vague. But in return an attorney or yourself can use the vagueness to help your case if accused of any of this.

Hope I'm not breaking any rules posting this but figure everyone that has some bobcats would want to know about it. They are having a bobcat only fur sale in Kingman at the fairgrounds on March 9th. If you have coyotes or fox or anything else you can talk to the buyers outside and work out a deal with them. They are claiming prices will be even better than the ATA sale because the fur buyer and you the seller don't pay any commission. Just a $20 fee to get your cats in. If anyone wants more info contact Bob Small at 623-203-1451 or I can try and answer any questions you have here on this thread.

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There is a sale in Kingman on March 9th. It is called the Briarpatch Bobcat Fur sale. They are only accepting bobcat fur. If you have coyotes or fox you can talk to the buyer outside and bargain with them and come to an agreement. If anyone wants more info contact Bob Small at 623-203-1451

Don't worry about what PRDATR says he seems to like to go around people posts and let everyone know what he thinks about the item you're selling and talk bad about things he knows nothing about.

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Deal fell through back up for sale! $525 OBO

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You know they say a lion tag is the best repellent right? haha

Sweet video! Congrats on the cat. How much did he weigh?

Picture of a cat we caught today. Weighed 150-160. Crazy thing ran 6 miles!

Yeah a friend ended up tagging it. Whtmtnman is your friend Phil Stratton? If so that's his cat. It was killed out north of Heber

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