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Nice try, 80-90% of AZ deer tags can be drawn every 3-5 years without having to wait. The tags people really want have 5,000 to 6,000 people applying for what 75-90 tags per hunt. Waiting 3 years between tags isn't going to improve your draw odds a dang bit.

AZ used to be just like NM. Guess what people started bitching, so it began. First elk goes to 3 year wait between tags. Guess what people sitting out 3 years were getting back in game and drawing tags again before other people had drawn their first tag. This was decades ago when there were way less people hunting then there are now. Statistically proven 3 year wait not helping with drawing tags. I believe 1991 enter the BP game except bison and sheep may have already had Bonus points. Honestly I don't remember the 20% phase of the draw in the beginning, hunter education point or loyalty point so I'm pretty sure the BP system has been tweaked since its inception and guess what people still pissing and moaning. I personally am happy with the way AZ does it and NM can keep their system.

I believe AZGFD could eliminate leftover tags for everything but probably Javelina by simply changing the draw where you only lose your bonus points in the 1st and 2nd pass of the draw. If they did this they would basically be turning the 3rd pass of the draw into the leftover draw. It would also save them money on all the waisted hours and postage sorting thru thousands of applications just to rip them open stamp rejected on application, stuff into another envelope and return to sender.

Don't know about any money tag holders hunting but have heard of 6 bulls killed in the last couple weeks in the over-the-counter hunts.

I believe he has been promoted.

You always here the theory's about antis putting in but I don't buy it. It would mean they would have to purchase a license and pay for a tag and they know that money would go to supporting the very thing they despise. I'm sure there are tag holders that don't go on their hunts for various reasons though.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/helicopter-helping-to-fight-wildfire-near-payson-crashes/ar-BB16slg9?ocid=hplocalnews

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This year there were 122 tags available so 24 should have gone to the BP. There were 27 people with max points and 205 one under max. Lets say 24 of the 27 drew which I'd be willing to bet that didn't happen that would leave 3 carrying over to next year and lets say 5 of the 205 drew and lets say all 205 and all 27 of the max either put in or bought points you could now be looking at 203 people next year with max points.

If you go scouting up there right now according to the fire report you wont be able to access any of the forest north of the 429 all the way to Utah. Hopefully that portion of the FS 22 in red will be open by the early and late hunts but you never know after a fire which areas the FS is going to keep closed due to flooding and falling tree dangers. The intersection of the 429 and 22 rd is where Duawane Adams likes to throw his huge camp. If It was me and I didn't have access to a 4WD I would rent one. I would say last year there was a crazy amount of snow on the late hunt especially during the second half and I can guarantee you were not hunting anywhere down in the low country without a 4WD and people were still stuck as heck even with 4WD last year

Starting at 8PM the above mentioned off limits again

The Apache-Sitgreaves forest isn't closed and won't be this weekend,

C.C. Cragin Dam and Reservoir SRP acquired C.C. Cragin (formerly Blue Ridge) Reservoir from Phelps Dodge Corporation in February 2005 as part of the Gila River Indian Water Rights settlement approved by the Arizona Water Settlements Act. The agreement settled water rights issues and allowed for the transfer of C.C. Cragin Reservoir from Phelps Dodge to SRP. The C.C. Cragin project consists of a number of facilities , including electrical transmission line, and a generating plant. The majority of the project is located in the Coconino and Tonto national forests. In addition to satisfying obligations to the Gila River Indian Community, C.C. Cragin will be used to supplement SRP shareholders' water supply and to assist in improving the water supply situation in northern Gila County in accordance with the Arizona Water Settlements Act. Restoring the C.C. Cragin Watersheds The C.C. Cragin watershed is listed as a priority watershed within the Western Watershed Enhancement Partnership and is a critical water supply for the town of Payson, communities in northern Gila County and SRP shareholders. SRP, together with the Town of Payson, the National Forest Foundation, Coconino National Forest and the Bureau of Reclamation, launched an initiative in 2014 to accelerate the restoration of forest lands that feed C.C. Cragin Reservoir. The initiative, the Cragin Watershed Protection Project (CWPP) , was designed to reduce the risk of wildfire and the ensuing impacts to water supplies, air quality, wildlife habitat and recreation opportunities. The environmental assessment performed as part of the CWPP focused on approximately 64,000 acres of land surrounding C.C. Cragin Reservoir, which include the three watersheds that drain into it: East Clear Creek, Bear Canyon and Miller Canyon. The environmental assessment was completed in 2018 with approximately 37,000 acres within the assessment area identified to begin wildfire remediation efforts, which includes strategic thinning. The decision notice , with these outcomes described, for the CWPP was published in July 2018. SRP is working with the Forest Service and partners to accelerate strategic thinning in the CWPP area. History In order to meet its need for additional water, Phelps Dodge built Show Low Lake in 1952 and C.C. Cragin Reservoir in 1965. Phelps Dodge and SRP entered a water-exchange agreement in 1962 to cover diversions and exchanges of water from these facilities. This agreement confirmed each party's respective water rights in the watersheds of the Salt, Verde and Gila rivers. In addition, it provided SRP with the opportunity to acquire C.C. Cragin Reservoir and its water production facilities — fulfilling Phelps Dodge's obligations under the 1962 agreement to offer the reservoir to SRP. Phelps Dodge and SRP agreed that if SRP acquired the reservoir, a portion of the water would be delivered to the Gila River Indian Community as part of the Comprehensive Gila River Settlement. C.C. Cragin Reservoir, with a storage capacity of 15,000 acre-feet, is in Coconino County about 25 miles north of Payson near Clints Well atop the Mogollon Rim in the Coconino National Forest. -------- Update 4/7/2020 -------- Pumping from the C. C. Cragin Reservoir into the East Verde River is scheduled to begin April 7, 2020. Pumping from C.C. Cragin Reservoir is expected to continue through December 2020. C.C. Cragin Operations and Maintenance Update The C.C. Cragin project consists of a number of facilities, including a dam and reservoir, diversion tunnel and pump shaft, pumping plant, priming reservoir, pipeline, electrical transmission line, and a generating plant. Water is pumped from the reservoir to the East Verde River via the pumping plant and related facilities. SRP pumps water at a maximum rate of 35 cubic feet per second from the reservoir during the summer for deliveries to SRP shareholders and, in the future, to Payson and other Northern Gila County communities. The majority of the project is located in the Coconino and Tonto national forests. SRP acquired Blue Ridge Reservoir from Phelps Dodge Corp. in February 2005 as part of the Gila River Indian Water Rights Settlement approved by the Arizona Water Settlement Act. The reservoir and dam were renamed C.C. Cragin at that time as a tribute to an early SRP hydrologic engineer. The settlement act resolved various water rights issues and allowed for the transfer of the reservoir to SRP from Phelps Dodge, which built Cragin Dam in 1965 for the purpose of collecting water to deliver to the Verde River as a water-exchange settlement with SRP. In addition to satisfying obligations to the Gila River Indian Community, Cragin is used to supplement SRP shareholders' water supply and to assist in improving the water supply situation in Payson and northern Gila County in accordance with the Arizona Water Settlements Act. SRP transferred ownership of the Cragin facilities to the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation, but continues to serve as operator of the system. Just a little history on the lake. The last 2-3 years the lake has been drained to work on the stuff pictured above and then refills after the winter. The boat ramp has also been much improved in the last few years.

57 for me

Looks like bonehead777 lost his license for I believe 35 years 😂😂.

Who's going to watch bonehead777 get his medicine at 1:30?

He drew an archery tag if that takes away a little of the sting.

Even if you get a Dept ID you still have to provide your SS#.

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When you surrender your hunt permit-tag: • You will not receive a refund for the cost of your tag. • The bonus points you expended to draw the hunt permit-tag will be reinstated. • The bonus point you would have accrued had you not drawn will be awarded. • You must surrender your hunt permit-tag before your hunt.

Last year 9 people drew tags in the bonus pass with 19 points at 8.49%, not a single person with 19 points drew in the random draw

Wyoming is no different than Az when it comes to their trophy units, I'll use area 57 for example 27% draw odds for type 1 residents. Looking at last year data NR got about 20% of area 57 type 1 tags between the 2 random draws and the 2 preference point draws.

Hoping to cash in 12 points, lot of talk about Wyoming going to a 90-10 seems the residents are getting tired of all their tags going to NR.

Water quality went bad before it quit spilling