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There are record applicants every year putting in for hunts, if every resident chose to sit out of the draw the NR who doesn't give 2 craps about trail cams in AZ will surely take those tags. The AZGFD sells 300,000 plus hunting licenses every year and I would venture to guess that 295,000 plus don't give two craps if trail cams are banned for the take of wildlife.

I would say get a good lawyer, if he harvests that lion 3 months later did that camera really aid in the taking of that lion.

I suggest you get go fund money for the retainment of a lawyer. Then run your cameras for FUN, now when you are helping a kid and he harvests his deer and the WM asks did you use trail cams to aid in the taking of this animal answer no. It now falls on the burden of the state. If the state can prove you had a trail camera and they prove that trail camera had that particular deer on it then you might be in trouble, on the other hand what if you never had a single picture of that particular deer? What if your trail cameras last picture of that deer was from 3 months ago and you can prove that you harvested that deer 2 miles from that location? I'm sure a good lawyer could probably make a good case that the trail camera didn't aid in the take of that deer. Let me ask you this? Did you have any trail cam pictures of that deer you recently helped Uggredbilly take?

Your reading comprehension must be way better than mine because no where here do I see the total ban of trail cameras or the ban of trail cameras for the freedom Loving Arizona recreational wildlife enthusiasts. I do however see a ban on the use of trail cameras for the take or in the aiding of take of wildlife. If you choose to run 500 trail cameras all summer long with your friends and family because your a wildlife enthusiast have at it, just don't use those cameras for the take of wildlife. As a freedom loving American make a choice are my cameras for fun or profit.

There will be no ban on trail cameras if all your using it for is to watch your gold claim. If you however decide to TAKE or use your camera in aiding of the take of wildlife there will be a problem.

This new rule will take 3 off the books.

I'm sure Shawn Wagner would love to put another Owens notch in his belt

If you watched the meeting Kurt Davis wasn't the one who initiated the call for the vote to start the ban. It was a commissioner that said he probably had more trail cams on one ridge than everyone else in the room and he felt it was time for regulation. There will be no break in the ranks this time they voted 5-0 and knew exactly what they were voting on.

I believe the commission is often the driving force of the policies being put forth by the department. Don't for one second believe that the idea was solely the departments idea.

It will pass and AZGFD will legally be able to run cameras as part of their official duties. They fly planes and helicopters during hunts for survey purposes, they use bait to trap turkeys for translocations, ect. ect.

Everyone said the same about the bait ban but you don't hear much about it being a problem. Larry Phoenix said they have about a 97% compliance rate and that their WM's are very good at what they do.

When they open it up to public comment they will provide a place where you can voice your opinion.

At some point probably in January or February there will be a 30 day public comment. At this point I would guess to venture that all the crying in the world isn't going to stop the ban of trail cameras this time. Probably be in effect by January 1st 2022.

According to commissioner sparks he had just as many public comments for the ban as he did against the ban.

I guess being able to read makes you in insider, and by the way most of the carefree employees are working from home now so they're not even in their offices.

The commission isn't doing any banning of trail cameras today, they are only Request to Approve a Notice of Rulemaking Docket Opening, Notice of Proposed Rulemaking Amending Article 3. Taking and Handling of Wildlife. Presenter: Larry Phoenix, FOR3 Regional Supervisor. The Department will ask the Commission to vote to approve a Notice of Rulemaking Docket Opening, Notice of Proposed Rulemaking, and Economic Impact Statement to December 4, 2020 Page 4 of 6 Commission Meeting Agenda initiate rulemaking to amend rules within Article 3. Taking and Handling of Wildlife, related to the use of game cameras. I would guess that when they have the final meeting on the subject it will be at the big office at carefree that way there is plenty of room for anyone that wants a blue card to stand up and cry a little.

Do you guys cry and whine when a restaurant says no shoes or shirt no service?

You're right i was speculating about him crying if he missed an opening day but fast forward the video posted to the 1:20:38 mark. No speculating there.

To you maybe. I doubt Russ Jacoby ever cried over missing an opening day of a hunt but he darn sure cried over the possibility of a trail camera ban.

Don't most big game hunts start on a weekday? Most people more than willing to take that day off if it means that much to them.

It's actually 48 hrs before a hunt.

AZGFD doesn't own the airspace and airplanes and drones don't take game but they still banned the use of them for taking game.

You pay out of state tag costs but you are not put into the 10% cap.

Just curious do you have all the public comments? It would be interesting to see how many comments were for the ban or at least some regulation on their use and how many comments were for no regulation.

Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer.