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Last year 19 points was the bonus point pool with 20% of those applicants being drawn. From what I see at 17 points, you're almost to a 2% chance of drawing this year; but since they split that hunt up to the South and North units, it might vary a little bit. You may be quite a few years away from a guaranteed tag. If you went into next years draw with 18 points, based on what applicants do, you would be in the bonus point pass for maximum points in 23 North for the early archery hunt and draw that hunt next year. Every so many years, the early archery hunt swings back to start at a later date; more towards mid September, which could make for better rutting action; maybe factor that in for future appications.... but with such few tags and a lack of hunting pressure, 23 North should be slamming anyways. Wish I had your problem!

Depends on what you want out of the hunt. If you have the money, want someone to do the work of finding bulls for you and want that atmosphere then do it. I'd personally never hire a guide but that's me. If you do hire one, look around payson. There are a couple good guys/guides down there that arent "big name" outfitters. They'll treat you good and be thankful to help you on your hunt.

Good seeing the game and fish fixing their errors that occurred on their end. I'm sure its obvious to them that a portion of their customers are upset. Glad to see its being fixed ahead of the draw; I'm sure you're pretty happy its resolved too! Results will be posted nonetheless sometime. Guys can bitch and moan.... Make the waiting suck that much more for themselves.

Those small ones are the ones I worry about the most. Man I hate snakes!

You are putting the same hunt for choice 1 AND 2? Just so you know, that makes no sense. If there are no tags for your 1st choice they go to your 2nd choice. If your 2nd choice is the same as your 1st, there are still no tags left. The same applies for 3,4,5. If there are no tags left for your 3rd choice, there are no tags left in the 4th and 5th rounds either...if you put down the same hunt #. All the unit 8 late archery tags are gone in the 1,2 round so you won't have a chance in the 3rd round. You should be putting the early archery 1st choice and late archery 2nd choice or in your dad's case, rifle 1st and late archery 2nd.His case makes perfect sense. He doesn't want to be considered for the bonus point pass for the late archery hunt. If 3 points puts him in the 1-2 choice bonus pass for late archery, he would never have a chance to even draw the early hunt. The only fail safe way for him to go into the normal draw after the 1-2 bonus pass is to do that. It may be the only chance he has to draw an early hunt. This is the same for both cases he presents.

Geez guys. Get over it. It happened. Its done. It will continue to happen. This same bitchfest happens every single draw cycle. Nothing has changed and it appears it won't change. You guys sit here and get pissed off over something you have no control over, bashing each other for what? Because people apply last minute? Wow. The draw is gonna happen. People will get drawn. People won't get drawn. The cycle will continue. Get over it. Sucks reading everyone getting pissed off at everyone over something like this.

Why are you selling?

I bought my license through the online vendor and it populated my new license when I applied for elk within 10 minutes after purchasing my license. It did for both antelope and elk. My buddy did the same thing and had the same results that I did.... It immediately populated in the license field on the application. No problems.

Maybe you'll get a tag this year? LoL.

There's turkey all over the WMAT. I imagine those hunts are an absolute blast when the strut is full on.

In this day and age, they are not going to drop the online application process. It won't happen. What we have grown accustomed to is problems with the process. The good thing is that they still allow you to submit paper apps. So if applying online isn't "your" thing (that's not directed at anyone specific) then apply with paper. But arguing about taking the online process away is doing no one any good. It will not happen.

Crazy play call! Holy cow. Let beast mode happen! Bevell will live with that for many many years ahead. Too bad that happened.

Wow. That's a crazy stud buck. Dang!

Holy crap. You had my idea of selling a package as well. I got 15's and 10x50's I'm thinking of getting on here as a package deal.

Some guys on here claim to be the saving grace of the internet and and save us all from the "hassle". Wow. Anyways, I don't know anything about 19A. If I did I'd share with you via PM. Good luck finding your spots and I am glad to see a guy spark up an interest in hunting. Hopefully you can spark that in your own kids someday. Good luck in the draw.

What is the score on the set second from the top on the left hand side of the picture..... Looks like a stud buck.

Glad to see its up. I'm gonna wait about a week til they work out the bugs just like what bone collector stated....

Unit / Dates / Weapon (or 2014 hunt numbers), # of bonus points and Res/NR. The number of applicants is important if the hunt has a low number of tags i.e. < 40. All: One Resident applicant and 4 B.P. -3141 -3118 -3007 -3026 -3024 -3025 Thanks for the information and for putting your knowledge together for us.

Good for Josh. That's a great looking buck. I'd like to read about the patterns and what the buck did differently in different seasons. Did he travel distances.... Times of the day seen.... Etc etc etc. One could come up with quite a journal of a buck with that much time spent learning him. It'd be cool to read. Anyways congrats on a slammer buck.

If you have a hunting partner, I'd move in as soon as you see the buck... Use radio communication. If he is rutting, cruising or chasing does, you don't know what he will end up doing. I can remember one time watching a good mule deer buck chasing around a doe. They were headed up into a draw so I went and positioned where I figured they'd end up getting to. After getting there i was able to watch them head up closer to where I was. Then, for no rhyme or reason, that buck just did a 180 and completely left the country. The rest of the herd just kept coming towards me. When they're rutting, it's hard to say exactly what they're gonna do. Every situation is different. I guess see what the situation is and assess it....

Piranta. Be careful. These things are amazingly sharp.

Alright, after looking at the hunt recommendations, compared to 2014, they are decreasing tags in quite a few units. For example, -1, 2B and 2C late rifle bull is being decreased by 50 tags (this past year they decreased them as well I believe) -Late 3A, 3C is being decreased by 25 tags -Decreasing tags in 27 (the late bull hunt goes back to 400; I never thought this would happen again, I was proved wrong) - They eliminated a cow hunt altogether in 27 On the contrary, they are piping tags in the 7's pretty heavily.... Do you think they have listened to hunters in the white mountains? Or is it something else?

I know there could be flaws and "lying" to mandatory reporting, but I still don't understand why we do not have mandatory harvest reporting for every species to assist with a more sound "management". Many of states do this, the Native Tribes do this, but, we still do not have this mandatory reporting. Of course, some will lie. However, I like to think that the majority of hunters will in good faith be honest with it and could help to a better management tool.

Tags equal revenue. Its going to be difficult to have decrease in tags due to that revenue. It's just a fact of the matter and g and f won't change it. Period. I personally feel that whitetail will fair the best and more trophy whitetail will exist compared to elk and mule deer. With all of these mega burns that have opened up country for elk, hunters have taken advantage and harvest more animals due to being able to see them. As far as managing wildlife on our part as hunters, it's a good idea but very very very unlikely to happen. Guides and outfitters surely won't do it. Its money in their wallet. All in all, it is what it is. Money talks and the game and fish will not take a cut in revenue by making drastic cuts in tags.

That's a great time right there! I am just getting my son started into squirrel hunting; it's a great activity to get their aim down well. Congrats on a fun hunt!