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Holy cow Scotty, you've definitely been around. That p-horn is a great one. Don't have one from Tejas, myself. Been all over that State in my earlier years, but never hunted there. Better go ahead and tell us the New Zealand story, as we are dying for some intensity on this forum. I recommend typing it in Microsoft Word first (if ya got it), then cutting and pasting to your post on this forum. One time I spent an hour posting a response here directly, and it went away when I tried to submit it. Thanks for your efforts here.

This is the ONLY thing we can agree on? Ya sure are a crotchety old man, j/k. Thanks for postin' that freak antelope, az4life. Also thanks for the story. Man, that poor, cursed ol buck had to turn his head sideways to look forward. Wonder what caused his deformity? I'm not into freaks, just pretty symmetrical heads. I've been to Cabela's in Sidney, about 10 years ago. Drove there from Casper and even got a speeding ticket along the way. Leave the Visa card at home when you go there tho, LOL. Hey Houston, I lived in The Rock for 6 months during the winter of '96-97. I saw -22 w/ 30-40 mph gusts which calculated to -71 wind chill. Holy sheet! I moved here in spring 1997, LOL. It is neat to know that you guys get outside of AZ once in a while. Now................maybe I can get INTO AZ this fall due to a great Coues tag.

Dang Scotty, looks like you made a trip to New Zealand. I always get a kick out of the Australia and New Zealand critters that look like nothing else on this planet. That stag has more antler than anthing I've ever seen alive! Can't remember at this moment what the heck that second critter is? Wait......is it a chamois? That Tahr is one hairy goat (or sheep?). I've thought about an Aoudad (Barbary Sheep) hunt many times over the years, but haven't ever done one. I really like their hairy chaps. I like the 1/2 body mounts on a rock base. That old desert muley is a super duper trophy at 9.5 years !!! regardless of the size of the rack. He had seen a lot of things in his lifetime. I like the stripe down his nose. Those kinds of things like huntin and guidin and workin in foreign places are exactly what you should do while you are young and healthy and unattached. I missed my opportunities, so I'm glad to see you took advantage. Take care Scotty, and keep postin' your great pics and stories. I like 'em.

What the heck is the Men's Channel??? Never heard of it. My cable bill is $117 a month and I have a gazillion channels, but not the Men's Channel. I'm writing 'em a letter right now.

Listen Wetmule, let's get something straight right now, okay pal? I am the official CW.com troublemaker. Don't try to make a move for my title, awright?

Awright, I should be able to get some of them neat 'ol Coues bucks up here tomorrow nite. I'm beat here now, as I've been posting and e-mailing all night. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

This is my good friend Billie Bechtel and her guide/husband Robin with her 2003 unit 45A Kofa Mtns desert bighorn ram. This was the biggest ram taken out of 6 tags. Taken 12/4/03 net scores 162.7 B & C aged at 10.5 years. Another shot of Billie's ram. She also drew a 27/28 Dec Coues deer tag. I asked her which hunt was more important, and she said " I already have a bunch of big Coues deer", LOL. And she does. This is Billie with her 3B bull taken in 2000 in a drought year. Scores 343.3 aged at 9.5 years. She wasn't real content with this bull 'til she saw 3 dozen smaller at the taxidermist. This is my very good friend Robin Bechtel with his 28th day desert ram taken in 13A (Strip) in 2002. He hunted the Kanab Creek area. He hunted hard for the biggun but never got his tag on him. Robin waited 41 years to draw this tag! This is Joe Black's 2002 13A buck taken on the last day of the hunt. 28" 189 B & C gross. This is Sam Jaksick's 1993 buck from unit 10. Scores 93.2 gross B & C and was taken on the auction tag. Look at the Roman nose on that old buck! This is Jeffrey Alt's 88.5 gross buck taken in 1997. Sorry, dunno which unit. Since he is ungutted in the pic, I would say he lived in the conifers? A freak, but a toad. Look at the big, blocky head on that brute! This is Robin Bechtel and his 1995 muzzleloader buck that scores 87.6 gross and was taken in unit 18A. Another big, blocky head.

Well, you guys just talked me outta Lasik. I'll just stick it out with my contacts. Good post, and great advice. Thanks.

Awright, AZGUIDE. You asked, so here it is. Any other members ('cept TAM and TREEMAN) are welcome to this info as well. Up until 1993, the Rock Sprgs/Green River area was the best Sportsmans paradise in the Rockies, bar none. All within 3 hours drive...........Flaming Gorge Res., stream/river fishing, muleys, elk, antelope, sage grouse, blue grouse, moose, elk, sheep..........and on the list goes. WY had a HUGE dieoff in the winter of '92-93, and it has never recovered due to the ensuing decade-long drought. In 1992, there were 700 buck antelope permits for unit 61, today.......200. WY has suffered from the same drought as AZ. However, there is lots of public land there. And still a few critters left. Apply for limted quota muley hunts in units 101 & 102, both super desert juniper/sagebrush/rimrock country hunts that are hard to draw. For the other units, don't bother right now. Here's what it looks like: For goats, check the WYGFD website for drawing odds. There are nice bucks in any direction from The Rock/GR. If ya just want an average one, then apply for a unit that is easier to draw. This is a great trip and great hunt that many miss out on. Just ask Ernesto C. 2 or 3 of you can apply together, share gas, a few nights motel, camp out the rest, and see some beautiful different country all the way from southern AZ to southern WY. Have fun chasing some gome goats (a low-pressure, fun hunt), shoot some coyotes, maybe fish..........and take lots of pics and post 'em here. What a great, enjoyable trip! For 300-340 elk, apply for units, 100, 30, 32, 31 around RS/GR. Mostly public and lots of older bulls. VERY hard to draw. The other units blow. The WY moose I posted here was taken in unit 26 north of Kemmerer, WY. Most folks don't know that you can draw a WY moose tag as a non-resident with just a few preference points. I only had 4. Long story short, don't get hung up at the AZ border. There is all kinds of huntin' and neat countryside out there. You only get to live once, don't wait too long. Round up a few buddies, save a few $$$, and apply.

Hey Scotty (again), Greeeeat pics! Thanks for posting 'em! Man, them warthogs sure are ugly. They make javelina look handsome. Is that a leopard there or a cheetah? What's the story with it? Got any claw marks on your hide to show us? Bring the rest of 'em on when you can!

Hey Scotty, Here is how I post my pics. Mine are scanned photos made into jpg files in the 100 kB range. 1) Join www.photobucket.com premium service. $9 per year or $25 life, I believe. 2) Follow the simple instructions and create your personal photo album. The browse buttom automatically takes you thru you hard drive directory and you can select your pics directly from there. 3) Make your post as usual. When you get to the point in your post where you want your pic to be shown, copy the Img code from photobucket and paste it on the post. 4) Preview the post to make sure the pic is shown where and the right size you want it. Pics can be resized easily on photobucket by hitting the 'edit' button. Most of my pics are working fine at 50% reduction.

Everyone on this forum is welcome to look at these next pics, even Josh and Lark and .25-06 and Shiras. However, both TAM and TREESTANDMAN must make a mandatory $50 donation to the CHD Get-Over-It Fund before viewing them. How we doin' on funding so far, Amanda? This monster was whacked last fall in 13A by hunter Bob Mays. Outfitter was Kip Fatellah. Only 23.5" outside. Scores 204 on the frame and has a mind-boggling 22" of mass per side! Look at those bases! Would you shoot a narrow buck? Is that thing an elk or a deer? Holy cow! This buck was taken in 13B last fall. 32" outside, 205 gross NT. This buck is known as the "Nooner Roadside Buck" as the hunters were travelling between areas in the truck. Look at that neck! Here is another taken last fall, I believe, in 13A, This is the only pic I have. 32" outside, scores 211 gross NT. Another roadside buck. Just got my Huntin' Fool mag. Arizona is covered in this issue. I guess 12B and 12B West will be combined as one unit this year for the late hunt. There are some more big Strip bucks as well as great Coues bucks in the issue. Garth says his usual thing for Coues, with 32, 34A, 36B, 36C his recommendations for the late hunt, with 33 a sleeper. I can snap pics of those pics in the magazine with my digital camera and post them, if any of you want to see 'em and it is okay with Amanda?

Are you guys for real? My post #29 is a complete, 100% JOKE! It is meant as humor only! It is not in any way my true feelings or emotions! It is pure sarcasm and levity! Let me take a wild stab here and guess...........TAM and TREESTANDMAN are shed hunters? I spent $25 for a Photobucket membership and payed to have those pics scanned in last year and took the time to post them here. When I (or anybody else) do that for the enjoyment of others here, it is completely inappropriate to say anything negative, particularly if it's to make yourself look good. If you like the post, then say so. If you don't, then remain silent. I post many fubar'd pics of my own here to also encourage others to post theirs, even if they aren't perfect pictures. Any negativity or criticism only discourages others from posting because they think they might get the same. I happen to like a lively forum with good debates, humor, lots of pics, news, gear, politics, and good hardcore hunting info. Not to mention the fact that Josh didn't take the time to read my post where I explained my situation. It wasn't even a digital camera. Had the flash worked, the pic woulda been okay. Period. People don't post pics because they want an effin photography lesson. I bought a $130 scanner and a $350 digital camera a while back. I spent 1.5 hours scanning, resizing, and posting the other night. Then, 2 members who are one-sentence posters and ain't carrying their weight around here try to tell me how to behave on this site. If you want to raise my ire, then these are dang good ways of doing it. Now like I suggested earlier, let's move on. If you wanna PM me for further discussion, then feel free to do so.

LMAO Dang! Yep, it was Timothy Treadwell. It was so well publicized that I think most folks had a good laugh in the end, even tho they might not show it. I have seen his films on Discovery Channel. Them bears are big and mean and carnivorous, not cuddly, LOL.

Hey Keith, Good post and good reading. I remember the grizzly mauling and passed the story around the office back then. It headlined "Animal Rights Activist Mauled by a Grizzly". Everybody had a good laugh. That is just a classic one. Headlines just don't get any better. Those people are so far gone it's just mind-boggling. I think most folks see thru their insane crap, tho, because they are so far out there. Didn't PETA just merge with the Humane Society or some such sheet to form the most dangerous anti-hunting (a.k.a. anti-people) group around? We have had a couple $5 million dams installed around here to allow some bs endangered fish to migrate upstream on the Colorado River. It's the humpbacked sucker or somethin'. The USFWS actually pays somebody to sit there and count fish (I used to know her). One dam had a grand total of 4 or 5 fish go thru, and the other was disfunctional because of low water levels due to drought! Anyway, these aren't necessarily PETA things, just another symptom of the same mental disease.

Hey Ernesto, Yeah, the units I mentioned are towards or near Rock Sprgs & Rawlins. Obviously, the best units for trophy quality are harder to draw. However, those units also have large expanses of BLM land. The units around Casper are easier to draw, aren't as good for trophies, and have lots of private land w/ access issues. Any of the Sweetwater County units west of the Green River are great ones. 60, 61 and 92 have great trophy quality and are in the beautiful Red Desert. Carbon County has many book goats, but lots of private. I like 57, which straddles both counties, but have never drawn. Long story short, if you wanna hunt and are not interested in a big goat, apply for one of the easier to draw units. If you are an all-or-nothing guy like me strictly after a biggun, then apply in the units I recommend and hope to get lucky. Wyoming has gone thru a decade long drought same as Arizona. Horn growth has been stunted in many years. If it's an average or good moisture year, and you know how to identify a big goat, and you hunt for an entire week, you should be able to find a book goat in the units I mentioned. But once in a while, book goats are killed in average units too. Take care.

This is Stephen Walker's Paunsaugunt buck from 1994. 33", scores 190. This buck is an absolute monster and was taken by Stephen Walker on the Governor's tag in 1993 in the Paunsaugunt unit (Kanab area). Don't know the data on this buck, but he's easily over 200" on the frame. Look at that small dropper on the left main beam. Here's the buck I took last year in the Bookcliffs that you've seen before. Remember the dark pics? Believe it or not, this buck was aged at 10.5 years. His face is very white with no black around his nose. He was just old and tired and worn out. Here's my usual camp (you guys starting to recognize it, LOL) on my '03 Bookcliffs elk hunt. I like to take pics of all aspects of the hunt, not just the animal. Here's a shot of my '03 bull's rack. You've seen this bull before. Here he is on my wall. Here's a view of the area on the top of the Bookcliffs. Lots of color in September. Here's my '04 bull on my wall. Check out the neat light-colored spot on his cheek. Enjoy.

Hey Scotty, I'm definitely eager to see 'em! Hope you get it figured out soon. No need to dedicate a thread to me as lots of people on the forum like quality posts.

Listen, don't ever criticize me, understand!!! LOL, just kiddin' boys. Just couldn't seem to resist, hehehe. I want you all to know that this has been a major traumatic event in my life. I am a fairly fragile person, and now I'm deeply disturbed by all this stuff. I haven't slept in 3 nights, and I can't concentrate at work. I feel my life may be over. However, there is one thing that can get me thru this difficult period in my life. That one thing is This. I hereby establish the CHD Get-Over-It Fund on CW.com. Donations are encouraged. A case is only about $400. To the perpetrators that caused all my mental anguish, please don't hesitate to chip in, okay? Please send your tax-deductable donations to CW.com c/o Amanda, and she will purchase this wonderful cure-all medicine and have it shipped to me. I'll let you all know how it all turns out.

Hey Bowhuntr, Dunno Joe Black, but he looks like one happy hunter. I understand he hunted hard and tracked that buck for many miles and whacked him at the tail end! Congrats Joe, on one great, hard-earned Strip buck. I hope he resides on your wall and you get to visit the AZ Strip again in your lifetime. Opportunities like that are once-in-a-lifetime, my friend.

Hey Ernesto, Sam's 13A buck was in one of the magazines a few years ago. It was a great Strip non-typical with tines all over and scores 250"+. Unfortunately, I don't have a pic. In fact, I don't even have the magazine any more or I would shoot a pic with my digital camera and post it here. Wetmule is a member of this forum (and we are lucky to have him) and is a man that I greatly respect. He is one of the top guides on the Strip and the Kaibab. He also has taken several whopper Coues bucks. This isn't just my opinion, as this is generally agreed upon among the knowledgeable hunters and guides in AZ. He is also heavily involved in the ADA, and works hard for us hunters. I really wish Wetmule would get a scanner, and post what he can. I stand by my ethics and morals in posting, and only post those that won't offend my buddies and fellow trophy hunters. I have a bunch of pics that I can't post (believe me!)...........but would post in a minute to contribute to this forum................if I was given permission. Everyone needs to understand that I'm not trying to convert this forum and website to anything other than Coues deer. We all know that this is a Coues deer website. However, many members here hunt several species (and several states..........I'm pleasantly surprised to learn), and there's only so much that can be discussed about the great, magnificent, beautiful Coues deer. Take care everyone.

Well, actually I'm on the wagon and been drinkin' lemonade. But if I spend enough time here I'll be back to George Dickel 90-proof in no time. Some folks think I have a short fuse, but the truth is I have none. The last remnant of my fuse burned off when I was 13. I was going back thru my posts from last year the other night to see what I had posted and came across the discouraging one in red above. We would have had this conversation last year had I seen it then. It should have been deleted then as it is counterproductive. One thing that irritates me about this forum is those who try to force others into following their idea of the atmosphere here (like their wants matter the most) when they don't contribute anything worthwhile here. An example is Lark's attempt at humor which is also badly needed here. A few people, evidently, didn't agree and PM'd him until he apologized. That is nonsense! Lark was trying to liven' this forum up and had nothing but good intentions. Why in the heck should he have to apologize for that? Unbelievable! What is the message in that? Nobody should post a joke from now on because someone might be offended? Some members have to toughen up and grow a thicker skin. I've been called everything but a white man here and I never wussed out. Even had a thread about me that I thought was funny........until........the people described in this paragraph starting judging. I just think it takes a lot of nerve to think this atmosphere should be YOUR way when you don't contribute diddly. That's just incredibly hypocritical. But enough. Let's move on. Now.....................ain't there any Dan King fans out there, LOL?

Hey Ernesto (again tonite), Not into touchy-feely stuff on this forum. Only results and fairness. Check out my response to you under 'Utah Animules'. Do you have any pics from your memorable WY hunts? I'd sure like to see 'em. I can post 'em for ya if you send 'em to me. Got any plans to apply there again? Take care.

Hey Ernesto, Which units did you hunt in the Casper area? I'm curious, as I have been all over that country. The best trophy units in WY are in Sweetwater, Carbon, Fremont, and Natrona Counties. I like 57, 58, 60, 61, 64 myself. I applied for 57 this year, and may get lucky after many years of no-draw. I have a buddy that drew 57 two years in a row and whacked book goats both times! Anyway, take care partner.

Hey Wetmule, Long time no speak my friend. Is this what you are trying to get me to say? Dan King's buck was never recognized as the WR because it was poached. Jim Reynolds is a friend of mine and I like him and he is the greatest trophy Coues deer hunter that has ever lived and I admire him immensely. Are you gonna defend me now, Wetmule, LOL?