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Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong..............but I think this bull is from AZ. 402 net typical............and was..............not publicized. I'm not commercializing these magnificent animals here, believe me............. I have had more than enough of that sheet. I am posting these for your enjoyment and motivation only. I'm about done with trophy hunting myself.......... AZ 2005 23S 397 P & Y gross w/ 20"+ of breakage. AZGFD has waaaaaaaaay too many bulls per cow ratio. Kaibab 2005. Holy cow. Sonora 2005. I have heard about a 230" framed buck taken this season. This one is a HAWG approaching that size.........but is it him??? Can you even imagine seeing a buck like this while hunting? I would definitely blow a fuse! Enough for tonite. More to come..........

13B 2005. I am privileged to live soooooo close..........that I can scout and enjoy this unit. Nothin' like seeing a monster muley..........even if spotting one in the off season is plenty enough. I for one...........don't need to kill anymore. Check out he HUGE body and neck and head on this PIG!!! What a big 'ol rounder and survivor of a mule deer buck! I have nothing but respect for these great 'ol bucks! Arizona record book Rocky Mtn ram taken 12-22-05 by "Big Dave". Scores 170+ B & C gross.

A helluva Kaibab buck taken in 2005. You may have seen this one before. This photo is of a good friend of mine's (and his wife's) beautiful big Coues bucks. He lives in Show Low. The one at the top scores 136+ and was taken by his wife. The rest are his........and score 102 to 121. He has AT LEAST twice this many that score in the same range. Can you imagine having a collection of your own like this??? I can't! WHAT A TURN ON PHOTO!!! I am told this is a 218 NT muley from AZ. Maybe you have seen it before. Check out the archery gear. A beautiful 183 buck from 13A in 2005. What a beautiful fat-necked, thick-nosed mature buck! I may be wrong.........but looks like Tuweep Canyon to me.

Howdy Boys, Missed ya a bunch! Check out my new addy! We're now on the same team! Holy cow......can you believe it? We are now........equals as hunters. Know what this means? It means we can be all-around Arizona scoutin' and huntin' buddies. We can hunt quail together, we can hit the Strip and hunt sheds together, we can do the HAM javelina hunt together, we can practice shooting our rifles together, we can hit the bars and chase women together, we can barbeque some elk steaks and sip hooch on my back porch and talk huntin' together, we can call each other on our cell phones all day long just to talk about huntin' stuff. Wow, life will be just grand for us here in Arizona. Sooooo...........do I have any takers??? C'mon now. The friendliness of you guys is what brought me here to this wonderful state. You all always seemed to be the types to welcome me with open arms. Saw my name on the other thread.......so I know you guys still think of me. On another note.........in the interest of keeping this thread deer related..............anybody interested in seeing pics of some big muleys whacked in 2005? I got a bunch of 'em. I'll post 'em if you all wanna see 'em. SUPER DUPER Mexico buck, Amanda. Congrats.

Idaho unit 22 late 2005 Same buck as above. Can you believe those turned down main beams? What a tremendous, unique buck. I understand he scores 202 net. Wyoming 2005 Colorado 3rd season 2005 Colorado 2005. Huge outside spread with the kicker, over 40" wide. I'm told this buck is from Nebraska, 2005. You believe it??? What a whopper.

Gotta preface this post by saying that these pics and info come from various sources, and I can't guarantee the accuracy of the info. However.....the bucks look pretty doggone real to me. Some of these bucks have already been published in the mags, so you may have seen 'em before. Wyoming unit128/129 late, 2005. Western Colorado, 2005. Strip 2005. Dunno which unit....but does it matter? What a toad! Gotta be over 200" on the frame. Sonora 210" frame 2005. Another Sonora buck. Incredible! Idaho unit 44. Southern Idaho muzzy, 2005. New #2 in LHS? What a HAWG!!! Idaho unit 40 late 2005.

Buyout plan to retire grazing permits targets ranchers 01/24/2005 MONTICELLO, N.M. (AP) -- Rancher Darryl Sullivan works several jobs to makes ends meet. He sells horse trailers and livestock equipment in Las Cruces, makes custom hats, levels fields and puts in cement irrigation ditches. His two grown sons aren't interested in taking over the 44-Bar Ranch, south of Socorro, that has been in the family for five generations. "A guy just needs to make a living for his family," he said. "A rancher and a farmer just doesn't make any money." That's why Sullivan is eyeing a proposal backed by Santa Fe-based Forest Guardians and other environmental groups to use taxpayer money to buy out and retire federal land grazing leases. "You can survive the drought and everything else, but you cannot survive the economy," Sullivan said. "Next year, it'll be worse." The grazing permit buyout proposal has slowly been gaining momentum in Congress and among a growing number of ranchers. Proponents say as many as 50 ranchers in New Mexico, 250 in Arizona and others around the West are coming out to support it. This month, groups backing the proposal sent a letter to 22,000 grazing permitees, urging them to support it. But federal land managers and the livestock industry oppose the grazing buyout proposal. The plan would give ranchers a one-time payment based on the number of livestock on their federal grazing permits, which they otherwise could sell or will to heirs. The land then would be permanently retired from livestock grazing. The proposal offers ranchers $175 for each cow or cow-calf pair per month compared with a market value in the West of $35 to $75, according to the campaign. So a rancher with a permit to graze 100 cows for nine months of the year on a Forest Service allotment would get $157,500 from the buyout. Such grazing permit buyout programs were proposed in 2003 in national and Arizona-specific legislation and are expected to be reintroduced this year. Buyout provisions were also included last year in an Idaho wilderness bill introduced and are expected to be part of an Oregon national monument bill. Members of New Mexico's delegation have either not taken a position or oppose a buyout in part because of potential negative effects on rural communities. Sen. Pete Domenici, R-N.M., says he has concerns, citing that ranchers already have the ability to sell out their businesses and valid grazing permits. But John Horning of the Forest Guardians argues the timing is right for a New Mexico bill, perhaps targeting the Gila country or the southwestern part of the state. He said ranchers are struggling under drought, tougher environmental requirements for endangered species, foreign competition, encroaching development and increased pressure from recreationists. "We simply need a few more ranchers in New Mexico to step out of the woodwork and realize the time is now," Horning said. Horning and fellow environmentalists also argue that ending grazing on some allotments would be good for the land, native wildlife and watersheds -- although ranchers disagree with that contention. Livestock industry groups have their own fears about the proposal. "We don't see this to be voluntary," said Caren Cowan, executive director of the New Mexico Cattle Growers Association, which passed a resolution against the idea. Cowan said government regulations that restrict ranchers can force them to do things like take a buyout. The Forest Service also has concerns. Janette Kaiser, the agency's national director of rangeland management, said the Forest Service has generally been worried about loss of open space and a need to keep ranchers on the land. Buying out all federal grazing permits in the country would cost $3.1 billion. Grazing fees generate about $6.9 million a year.

Based only on YOUR observations and experience, what would you say is the ONE favorite food (i.e. ocotillo leaves, mesquite beans, forbs, etc...) of Coues deer?

The 10ft Liger who's still growing... He looks like something from a prehistoric age or a fantastic creation from Hollywood. But Hercules is very much living flesh and blood - as he proves every time he opens his gigantic mouth to roar. Part lion, part tiger, he is not just a big cat but a huge one, standing 10ft tall on his back legs. Called a liger, in reference to his crossbreed parentage, he is the largest of all the cat species. On a typical day he will devour 20lb of meat, usually beef or chicken, and is capable of eating 100lb at a single setting. At just three years old, Hercules already weighs half a ton. He is the accidental result of two enormous big cats living close together at the Institute of Greatly Endangered and Rare Species, in Miami, Florida, and already dwarfs both his parents. "Ligers are not something we planned on having," said institute owner Dr Bhagavan Antle. "We have lions and tigers living together in large enclosures and at first we had no idea how well one of the lion boys was getting along with a tiger girl, then lo and behold we had a liger." 50mph runner... Not only that, but he likes to swim, a feat unheard of among water-fearing lions. In the wild it is virtually impossible for lions and tigers to mate. Not only are they enemies likely to kill one another, but most lions are in Africa and most tigers in Asia. But incredible though he is, Hercules is not unique. Ligers have been bred in captivity, deliberately and accidentally, since shortly before World War II. Today there are believed to be a handful of ligers around the world and a similar number of tigons, the product of a tiger father and lion mother. Tigons are smaller than ligers and take on more physical characteristics of the tiger.

These have been floating around the net for a few days with no details given. I don't know if they are real or not. What do you think?

I've had mine for almost a week. Evidently, they take care of nonresidents first.

Good draw Allen! Put everything you have into that hunt! I rank that hunt one of the top 5 October hunts in the west this year. I have a 21 tag for that same hunt, plus a buddy has 54 October. All are loaded with older bucks plus have super duper gene pools. 61 is 45 minutes from my house. 61 is tougher to hunt cuz it's thick with oakbrush from the top to the middle country. However, the lower country in the unit is PJ/sagebrush if you like that type of terrain. The upper end is aspen/oakbrush/mixed conifers with some open areas and is about 9000'. There is good access up high, and much of the middle ground has some access. There are plenty of places in the middle country that are steep and roadless and hold monsters. There were a number of 200"+ bucks taken last year, with some 250"+. Many of the huge book bucks from the 1960's were taken on the Uncompahgre Plateau. I stopped at Rainbows End B & B in Challis, ID last week and looked at one that had a 216 frame. But, like most hunters, you will prolly be thrilled with a 170-180" typical, and there are those in all parts of the unit, both high and low. PM me if you wanna chat. I don't have any specific places to send you, but we can pull out our maps and run thru the unit if you wanna call me. Here are some pics to motivate you. These are old-time CO bucks. Here is unit 21 an hour north of my home where I will be in late October. I found a REALLY tall whopper on this slope 3 weeks ago. Unit 21. This is a classic buckhole in 21 where I found two 30" 190+ bucks living last summer. It's a mature buck stomp cuz 1) incredible feed in the form of mtn mahogany, serviceberry, oak and sage plus a variety of forbs, 2) isolation from people, 3) water nearby, 4) it is breezy on this mtn top so the bugs are minimal, 5) good bedding in the conifers where it is dark and cool. Check out the growth leaders on the sage in the foreground! We have had the wettest year here in a decade. No drought stunted bucks this year! Unfortunately, the bucks won't be here on October 22 due to several reasons. Another quality post by:

I have a Remington 11-87 SPS that I bought in 1997. It is somewhat ugly with the rough, black matte finish on the metal. Comes with choke tubes, and has never malfunctioned. I replaced the factory black synthetic stocks with factory camo ones, and it looks better. But, since I'm rough on guns in the field, the ugly metal finish works out fine for me since it is VERY durable. I am completely happy with this shotgun and have no desire to change.

Barnes-X is a solid copper bullet and is the epitome of penetrating bullets. It will zoom right thru a Coues deer with virtually no expansion, even if it goes thru a shoulder. The exit hole will prolly be .257 caliber. Blood trail will prolly be minimal. Ballistic tips are expanding bullets. They are likely (but not always) to expand when they hit a Coues deer, particularly at the high velocity of a .257 WBY at close range. Out there @ 300-400 yards, this setup is super duper Coues medicine. But if you whack one close, don't expect complete penetration or undamaged meat. I shoot a .25-06 with 100 gr Nosler Ballistic Tips moving out the barrel @ 3,300 fps for Coues and pronghorns. And I've whacked a number of 'em with this load between 150 and 375 yards. All have offered complete penetration and super performance, even the ones that went thru a shoulder. If I were you, and insisted on using WBY ammo, I would use the Ballistic Tip for Coues. The Barnes-X load is for larger deer and caribou and elk and such. If I handloaded for the .257 WBY, I would experiment with the new Nosler Accubond or Swift Scirocco or one of the many new bonded core bullets.

The 115 gr Ballistic Tip in the .257 WBY ammo is made ny Nosler. But WBY also makes a .257 cartridge with the 115 gr Barnes-X.

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Customer Tackles Deer in Neb. Wal-Mart NORFOLK, Neb. ? So exactly how do you stop a charging deer in Wal-Mart? You take away its credit card. Shoppers at the Wal-Mart here wish they would have thought of that. It would have been a whole lot easier. A deer without a grocery list entered through the doors of the supermarket part of the store Thursday. The store's greeter didn't see the deer enter through the exit, but she did see the critter when it hit the slick floor and fell. It quickly recovered and went scurrying down the aisles. After doing a little looking around, the deer was tackled by a customer. Others of the human persuasion then tied the deer's legs so it couldn't kick, placed it in a shopping cart and pushed it outside. Officials took the animal to nearby Ta-ha-zouka Park and released it.

You two gentlemen are admirable for starting and participating in this thread, believe me. Contributing here in any fashion is a rare event. However, you two are pissin' up a rope if you think the rest of these dudes care about this website or sharing useful information or their $$$. They are only takers.........not givers. You can post your jesus stuff all day long.........but they ain't gonna bite. They just don't get it. I really feel for the ADA people trying to drum up support here. No wonder they are tired. A few in this crowd are decent men, including Rembrandt, Wetmule, Coues Addict, Scott Adams, and Bullwidgeon. Dunno whatever happened to Prohunt. He is loooooong gone, as are many of the other old timers, and never to return here. These quality guys always put up quality posts, as they understand how the forum thing works. You post good stuff............................and you receive good stuff. It's a fair exchange. Too bad they got cheated out of the receiving and satisfaction end of this deal. Tho not near as knowledgeable as the other five, it's time for me to give it up as well...............and hit the dusty trail, once again. I ain't gettin' nothin' outta this deal. I have acquaintances that offer me much more about mature Coues bucks and deer hunting. The sad part is that I enjoy helping young hunters. Shallow posters who think they own this website and think that everyone has to post their way...................but they haven't contributed diddly here...........is mind boggling. I can't believe that this sheet is allowed to go on here. Same goes for young men with ego problems. I visit several other forums, and none of this is present there. These guys would be given the boot on any other decent forum. These guys just wanna run off the good members, so they can look like kings. And so goes the history of the world. Vaya con dios.

Rumor has it this deer spent some time at the University of Nebraska in the Animal Behavioral Sciences Department. Turns out it was indeed educated........................but had no common sense.

Haven't fooled with it too much yet, but it seems to me the easiest way to find your spot is to use the "topo" button first since it has more identifiable features labeled, then switch the view to "aerial".

Allen, been busy, just got on here tonite and saw your message about the Strip project this weekend. My fault for not knowing about it ahead of time, as this actually would've been a good weekend for me to head down and help out. So obviously, I'm not in 13B this weekend. However, rest assured that I mean what I say and I say what I mean. I will indeed get to the Strip. I'm a lot of things................but full of sheet ain't one of 'em. Good news about LSD doing the vegetation survey and the Commission thinking about it. Is there still a chance that the buck quota can be minimal this year? Sounds like a big, important meeting coming up this month. I'd sure like to be there, but can't get away then................and I'd prolly just get into it with the ignorant, narrow-minded bureaucrats, LOL. I've got some good examples from other states that parallel this Kaibab story that you all should know about, but don't have time to post' em tonite. I am willing to bet.................that the present ADA board members...........aren't really tired..............but are tired of being unappreciated. Thanks very much to all ADA board members including Kevin and Amanda for your efforts! I may never draw another Arizona deer tag, but I really do appreciate your efforts! Also, thanks to Allen Taylor for donating your time to help AZ deer and deer hunters! I really appreciate it!

Dang it Wetmule, I am now screwed outta drawing my 13A tag this year, LOL. Seriously tho, this is good news for all hunters, resident or not.

Wow, where have all you deep thinkers and deeeeeeeper posters been for a while??? Why don't you all post more often??? What does it take, huh? I've been reduced to reading the mindless, torturing shallowness of az4life and .25-06 all winter. If you need better, more stimulating topics, just say so, and I'll turn the badger loose! Just ask! First of all, I'm gonna forward your comments about me being thin-skinned and emotional to my friends and family and co-workers. They have never heard of such a thing from me, and will enjoy them immensely! Can't wait to see 'em laugh and describe me as a sensitive guy! The useless, pathetic bureaucrats here will definitely call bs on this one! This news may actually make the front page of the GJ Daily Sentinel! I am mean, nasty, tired and pissed off. No joking. I have lost my patience for shallow hypocrites and grown men with LWS. I just ain't in the mood to be Mr. Effin Diplomacy anymore. I have a bullsheet detector that goes off all day long, even in the restaurants at lunch. Croatalus, my middle name is indeed 'abrasive'. Another appropriate name for me is 'prick'. A great big one. So Josh, the next time you put down others just to make yourself look good on a public forum, expect to hear from me, okay? The ADA has a really good mission and I fully support them. I was flabbergasted to learn that a REAL deer count had never been done on the 'bab. This is unbelievable to me. The $$$ ADA spent on this was WELL WORTH IT! Congrats board members, VERY good call. But there is more work to do to justify fewer tags there. I'm no mule deer biologist, but here are my thoughts. Gotta do a winter range vegetation survey using QUALIFIED, CREDIBLE people and then compare the methodology of the study as well as the results with the state's. Gotta make the results VERY public (make friends with some newspaper reporters.........that's what I do) and put on a big show in the press and at the commission meeting. Also gotta develop a reasonable buck harvest recommendation based on a reasonable (this will be debated fiercely!) mature buck population objective in order to provide a quality hunting experience for everyone who is fortunate enough to draw a tag for this wonderful, world-class unit. The Kaibab, similar to the Uncompahgre Plateau (another incredible, disgusting, vile, putrid state mismanagement story) in western Colorado, is a textbook case in being intended (by mother nature) for a quality unit, not a quantity one. The rare places that can grow huge bucks should be managed for them. That is just plain RIGHT. A forky can be whacked everywhere. Why ruin a rare, great place for the the quantity hunters? Give the quantity hunters their 'hunter opportunities' elsewhere. I really enjoy the Strip and will look for any excuse to spend a few days there. Trust me. Even installing a synthetic liner in a pond or laying some pipeline or whatever. I have a few tools and a semi-strong back. I'll be contacting ADA about their schedule for work on the Strip in the future. Heck I can be in St. George in 6 hours. Oh, and BTW..............these are all just my opinions, of course.

One more thing on this subject. In fact, one VERY important thing. I make my living overcoming the bureaucrats. Even the highly educated ones. Yep, that's me. I'm very good at it, too. The sorry-butt gov't workers around here don't even hold a candle to me anymore. I beat 'em far more often than not. Know how I pull it off? CREDIBILITY. Hillbilly doesn't beat education. Ever. If you wanna beat a scientist..................then become a better one. Cowboy up and learn the tricks of the trade and prove 'em wrong. And get qualifications. Allen, if you would calm down and read my messages slowly.............then you would see that I'm not siding with AZGFD on this issue. Only with science. I already tried to make that clear. Also, the guides/outfitters you mentioned only have everything to gain by tags being reduced. Trophy quality=$$$ for them. Therefore..............they have no credibility. Allen, please read the rest of my message about politics and such. As well as the fact that I specifically stated that state game & fish departments are in this for themselves. The modern government agency manages things exclusively for the longevity of the agency............not the taxpayers. It's like that all over, in all aspects of life, not just huntin'. If you guys are pissed off about how AZGFD handles hunting.................I could give you many examples that are much worse. Then you would be justified in pursuing an introverts hobby, believe me.