Seriously?? I have been "lurking" on here for quite sometime and decided to speak up with reguard to this topic. What does how many elk you have killed at xxx yards that scored whatever p&y and how many coues deer you have petted have to do with anything? Are we all supposed to be impressed by this? Are you somehow a better hunter if you are capable of shooting game over 700yds and petting coues deer? What is a good hunter? Tradbowhunter has his opinion on what ethical hunting means to HIM. My opinion on ethics doesnt matter to HIM it only matters to ME. If he believes that an ethical bow range is no more than 30yds than so be it. Who cares?? Is he wrong?? Unfortunatley he saw what he saw and unfortunatley there were AZ plates on the vehicles.....so what? Does this mean that everybody from AZ does this? Nope. Does this mean that everybody has to beat their chest and brag about how far away they can shoot stuff and what that stuff scored? Apparently on this site for some people yes. Drives me crazy to see stuff like this. Nobody is better than anybody else and trying to prove that you are better by bragging about what you have killed doesnt make sense to me. I gurantee that if Chuck Adams or Fred Bear commented on this topic they would not be bragging about what their last 3 grizzly bears and 4 moose scored or how far of a shot they took to make thier point.