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I think it would be a good thing to have Kent and John meet and talk for a while before the ADA meeting. I know your schedules are busy, so I am not expecting anything. I just know that we would benefit from you two being on the same page, whether on opposite sides, but on the same page non the less.

Congratulations again to the hunter. I really enjoyed the story posted on the mossback az homepage. The trail camera pictures and lengendary stories of the locals hunting him are awesome. Truly a buck of a lifetime.

Lark, I really wish you would be there. It would be a good thing. The time limits are to keep things on track. I for one, don't want to show up and have people go on and on and on repeating themselves and not getting their point across. People need to show up, with their spiel written down, and get to business. That's the difference between an hour or three. I too have been to meetings where the public is invited. (not always wildlife related) You always have the people that show up to lecture and point fingers etc. I always think, "what a buffoon." (for lack of a better term) I say, stop complaining and start doing something, come up with ideas, a solution, a plan, ANYTHING. Yet, these people will show up time and time again. Again, I agree with the time limits. Regardless of how we may feel, the banquet is a huge investment in time and money for the ADA and there is unfinished business to take care of there. I know how important this issue is. We will be dealing with this for a long time. Change and people trying to promote policy will continue. One has to adapt or be educated on the issues and help to steer things in the direction that benefits wildlife and us. I will try and fight the fight, not for you, but for your grandkids and the continuation of our hunting heritage you have passed on to them.

Nice shootin'!

Maybe they can start putting out puppy training pads, so the wolves can learn where to relieve themselves without infringing on the rest of the forest floor. Unbelievable . The wolves aren't the problem, the people behind the introduction are the problem. It has gotten to the point where they are reaching for justification and answers to problems we all knew would arise.

"Dukin' it out" is right! great footage and thanks for sharing Josh!

I had a lengthy telephone conversation with John Koleszar this evening. I thanked him for all he does in regards to the ADA. I told him it was a wise decision for the ADA to hold a board meeting where the public was invited to discuss the stance of this bill and the ADA's future affiliation with AZSFW. I hope it is a constructive meeting with good feedback given to the board. Time will be limited so the agenda needs to be brief and to the point. Questions will need to be direct and non-repetitive. I think a lot of answers will be given and look forward to seeing people there.

I also want to add that there is no current board meeting planned for the ADA this month. The scheduled meeting they have is to discuss and iron out details in relation to the upcoming banquet. I believe the ADA has now realized they may have to hold an emergency meeting to discuss the issues at hand or extend their current planned meeting to include allotted time for discussion of the same. I hope they do.

Thanks Allen for bringing up Mark's post. I will personally speak with John later this evening and update you all when that happens. John and everyone on the boards of the wildlife organizations need to realize that most of the members here, as well as the silent majority of non members that frequent this site, are level headed people. The select few that have thrown accusations and flung around analogies do not speak for cwt.com. With that said, I believe he may be more apt to come on here and talk. No one representing the ADA is a public relations guru and for that, they have paid the price. A lot of emotions have run high from both ends, keeping everyone from getting anywhere. If there is one thing we all are, it is passionate about AZ wildlife. Unfortunately, passion can go both ways, sometimes doing more harm than good. Loyalty, goes both ways as well. The membership needs to feel confident that it is being represented justly and with a common goal. There should be no actions taken by the organization, which can be perceived as a hidden agenda. The ADA is paying the price for its lack of communication with its members and the public. With today's technology, there are avenues in place that make real time communication easy. If no one can see that, they are out of touch. Please keep this thread informative and dedicated to reaching out to the many people that frequent this forum as non-members and members alike. No derogatory comments.

George, No, I am not kidding when I ask people to attend the meetings. To answer your first question, I don't expect anyone to do anything. I do understand the price of fuel and the sacrifices that people make for volunteer work. I have been away (out of the country) and am too very curious as to what the ADA's stance is on this very issue. I will try and make it and am simply urging others to do the same. As of right now, I can feel comfortable saying that a VERY LOW percentage of members (other than board members) attend these meetings. I have been invited and was curious to what everything was about so I went to a few. It was a very eye opening experience for me actually and was surprised at how a current financial P&L statement was handed out. They were also very interested in what I had to say and thanked me for attending. I can tell you this, the board is tired and it is a very thankless job. I know several members of the board have to travel into Phoenix to attend. They had talks about having the meetings at different locations since board members live on opposite sides of the valley too. That's about as far as I can answer that question because I don't know exact distances. I have made several phone calls this afternoon to get up to date on all the goings on. From this bill to how the orgs feel about it and everything in between. I prefer to talk face to face and things always seem to stay more civilized when doing so. That's why I feel I should attend. I haven't seen any "real" damage control attempts from anyone yet and am also curious at to what the direction is that many will take. To answer your question as to how the majority of members feel in regards to the efforts of their leadership, I would be guessing if I answered that. I can, however, tell you how I feel. I feel that trust has been lost somewhat. Communication has suffered and because this bill came out of no where, I feel that someone, somewhere, may have been trying to pull something off. I don't know the facts, so I leave it at that, but I will find out. The transparency you so want to see here will not happen now. Even I can tell you that. It isn't anyone's obligation to come here and try to answer questions when they are being bombarded with insults and threats. I'm sure this will all be discussed at the meeting next week though. Thank You for replying and giving me the opportunity to explain my initial post.

Dream buck!

I strongly urge anyone and everyone who wants to know the stance of the ADA on this or any issue, to go to their next board meeting. It is always open to the public and the transparecy is always there. This doesn't go for just the ADA either. I really hope that people that are vocal with their opinions and questions are also willing to show up and contribute. Believe me, simply asking questiions and raising topics at a meeting is a good start. The people that listen are there. They have been begging for input from the public for years. Volunteers are hard to come by and recruitment has dropped with the economy. Be a fresh face with passion and drive to assist with direction and operation of the organization. Maybe come back here and give us updates. (?)

I'll tell you what Orlin, you guys have had one of the most successful camps down there this year. I'm really happy you had the experience you did in regards to quality of terrain, number of bucks seen, and quality of bucks harvested. I knew at least one of you would score a nice buck and you ALL did! Don't forget the 7/8" that needs to be added to your 108 score either! You deserved a buck like this and am so happy for you. It's going to look even better on your wall. Congratulations again my friend!

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Anytime TJ! I'm sure we'll get together sooner than later! Just FYI, I seasoned the venison with sea salt and black pepper, then dusted in flour. I seared the first side on a hot saute pan and then turned the steak over, right before putting into a 350* oven. Came out delish! Accompanied by sauteed mushrooms, bell peppers, and pan roasted red bliss potatoes.

Good times man! Something about these little coues deer that makes them great table fare. Good food, good brew, good friends, doesn't get much better!

Congratulations to Parker! I love that first pic and the pose. Works perfectly. Way to go on your first big game animal!

AWESOME!!!! Way to go and congratulations to you all! I can only imagine the elation felt right after the shot. I've been there and it's the BEST, wouldn't trade it for anything. Taylar...welcome to the club!

Ernesto....You Da Man! Seriously, a very well deserved buck. A great buck with a ton of character points and even better since it's been a rough year down there for antler growth. You did real good. Congratulations amigo!

Man! This is the thread that keeps on giving! Way to go on all the success and way to go Tina! (love the pic too) Widowmaker's trail cam pic is AWESOME!

A lot more good people on these forums than not.

Jim, I always look forward to your posts. Both parts 1 and 2 were great threads with some awesome pictures. Some are crystal clear too. Nice bucks and congrats to you all.

...oh!...and THIS is how a REAL trophy pic is posed! LOL!

It was a fine time again down there in Mexico this year. Nothing like trying to forget about work and chasing these Coues! Like Phil stated, it was a tough but fun hunt. I can honestly say, we gave it our all, and then some. Not shown are the falls we took while hiking where we shouldn't have, the looks on our faces as we pack out and arrive two hours after night falls, after hiking up the wrong ridge that lead to a bluff several hundred feet high. Or the snake we encountered while putting the stalk on Phils first buck, I thought they weren't out this time of year! Or the day that was lost because Phil and Jimmy had to DRIVE back to Tucson to buy a tire since we got an unrepairable flat tire. Or the TWO days that were lost because of heavy winds...we were still out there glassing! We did give some blood, sweat, and tears but enjoyed the mud, the blood, and the beer! I can say that between us glassing every day while taking video, and the eight trail cams that we set up throughout the ranch, we got a very good look at what the options were. We just kept looking for the proverbial needle in a haystack. Great group of guys to hunt with. A lot is to be said when a big buck is glassed and we all want the others to take a shot at it. No one is hurrying to drop the biggest buck in the group for bragging rights. Great job on the write up Phil! We were greeted with the full moon for the first several days... TONS of these guys all over! A lot of wide open country, and the deer were everywhere, but were limited to water sources. In one instance, we saw a buck, then Kevin saw him on top of the mountain (long ways off), only to have him re appear on the trail cam on another area of the ranch!

Way to go Josh. I'm happy for you on the success. Looks like it was over as soon as it started! Great buck, congratulations!