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Dang! Nice trail cam pics and congrats to all involved in the success!
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My thoughts too. I know it isn't free, just hoping it's cheap...
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Coach! just an all around great post with awesome pictures of a grand time! You guys put the smackdown on the piggies! Congrats to all involved.
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Very interesting news. So not all the orgs on the AZSFWC board even knew this was even a consideration as a proposed bill? I should also note that most of the groups or people that responded to my question where very professional and understanding. I think all in all most of our groups are organized by people who really care and are not self serving. This is my impression from the limited contact I had this weekend. Runningbird, I have been informed that this is not entirely true. AZSFW made a presentation to the AZSFWC board. All the representatives of the orgs that sit on the AZSFWC board and were present knew of the idea of this bill.
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Hope you are enjoying your day Troy!!
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Man, great story. Persistence paid off! Good for you at not shooting that other buck too. Congratulations big time.
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Runningbird, I have been told that this is not true. All the orgs that sit on the AZSFWC board were in the loop.
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Thank you so much for documenting the hunt/s so well and sharing! Man, what a blast! Great writeup and congratulations to you all!
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Oh Wowsers! Great archery buck!
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That's awesome Jared!...plus you got it on video too! Sweet!
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Way to go Orlin! Nice pics. Phones with cameras are great! We need to get out with elkster9 soon and break in his new rifle...
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Runningbird, all of the orgs that are on the board were presented the same spiel in regards to this bill. There are other people you can go to and find out your requested information. I would start with contacting the orgs that pulled their support of AZSFW first. I think you will be surprised at how easy the process is.
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Showmethemoney has some very valuable insight and for those that want to listen, he brings some enlightenment to the table. My biggest issue is that all the orgs knew that the commission was being infiltrated heavily by the greenies. They knew, by name, who was on our side and who wasn't. Yet it seemed to me that everything was hush hush, as to not offend anyone. That is why I urged people a long time ago, to become members, to attend a meeting, so they could gain some insight on the war that has been waged against us. Same thing goes here, things are kept quiet on who proposed this bill etc. People are too afraid to damage relationships and in my opinion, they need to ask themselves who they have in their best interest. Remember, AZSFW surprised you with the pushing of this bill before you or the commission could detail it, now tell me who is on your side? I do understand we have a severe need of having lobbyists and people that have the connections to represent us sportsmen. There needs to be more checks and balances, more communication within the orgs and with the public. I'm rambling now so I'll stop here...
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I think it would be a good thing to have Kent and John meet and talk for a while before the ADA meeting. I know your schedules are busy, so I am not expecting anything. I just know that we would benefit from you two being on the same page, whether on opposite sides, but on the same page non the less.
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Congratulations again to the hunter. I really enjoyed the story posted on the mossback az homepage. The trail camera pictures and lengendary stories of the locals hunting him are awesome. Truly a buck of a lifetime.
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Lark, I really wish you would be there. It would be a good thing. The time limits are to keep things on track. I for one, don't want to show up and have people go on and on and on repeating themselves and not getting their point across. People need to show up, with their spiel written down, and get to business. That's the difference between an hour or three. I too have been to meetings where the public is invited. (not always wildlife related) You always have the people that show up to lecture and point fingers etc. I always think, "what a buffoon." (for lack of a better term) I say, stop complaining and start doing something, come up with ideas, a solution, a plan, ANYTHING. Yet, these people will show up time and time again. Again, I agree with the time limits. Regardless of how we may feel, the banquet is a huge investment in time and money for the ADA and there is unfinished business to take care of there. I know how important this issue is. We will be dealing with this for a long time. Change and people trying to promote policy will continue. One has to adapt or be educated on the issues and help to steer things in the direction that benefits wildlife and us. I will try and fight the fight, not for you, but for your grandkids and the continuation of our hunting heritage you have passed on to them.
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Maybe they can start putting out puppy training pads, so the wolves can learn where to relieve themselves without infringing on the rest of the forest floor. Unbelievable . The wolves aren't the problem, the people behind the introduction are the problem. It has gotten to the point where they are reaching for justification and answers to problems we all knew would arise.
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2 bucks dukin it out!!
Chef replied to GRONG's topic in Photography of Coues Deer and Other Wildlife
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I had a lengthy telephone conversation with John Koleszar this evening. I thanked him for all he does in regards to the ADA. I told him it was a wise decision for the ADA to hold a board meeting where the public was invited to discuss the stance of this bill and the ADA's future affiliation with AZSFW. I hope it is a constructive meeting with good feedback given to the board. Time will be limited so the agenda needs to be brief and to the point. Questions will need to be direct and non-repetitive. I think a lot of answers will be given and look forward to seeing people there.
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I also want to add that there is no current board meeting planned for the ADA this month. The scheduled meeting they have is to discuss and iron out details in relation to the upcoming banquet. I believe the ADA has now realized they may have to hold an emergency meeting to discuss the issues at hand or extend their current planned meeting to include allotted time for discussion of the same. I hope they do.
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Thanks Allen for bringing up Mark's post. I will personally speak with John later this evening and update you all when that happens. John and everyone on the boards of the wildlife organizations need to realize that most of the members here, as well as the silent majority of non members that frequent this site, are level headed people. The select few that have thrown accusations and flung around analogies do not speak for cwt.com. With that said, I believe he may be more apt to come on here and talk. No one representing the ADA is a public relations guru and for that, they have paid the price. A lot of emotions have run high from both ends, keeping everyone from getting anywhere. If there is one thing we all are, it is passionate about AZ wildlife. Unfortunately, passion can go both ways, sometimes doing more harm than good. Loyalty, goes both ways as well. The membership needs to feel confident that it is being represented justly and with a common goal. There should be no actions taken by the organization, which can be perceived as a hidden agenda. The ADA is paying the price for its lack of communication with its members and the public. With today's technology, there are avenues in place that make real time communication easy. If no one can see that, they are out of touch. Please keep this thread informative and dedicated to reaching out to the many people that frequent this forum as non-members and members alike. No derogatory comments.
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Where do we go from here?
Chef replied to archerycrazy's topic in Political Discussions related to hunting
George, No, I am not kidding when I ask people to attend the meetings. To answer your first question, I don't expect anyone to do anything. I do understand the price of fuel and the sacrifices that people make for volunteer work. I have been away (out of the country) and am too very curious as to what the ADA's stance is on this very issue. I will try and make it and am simply urging others to do the same. As of right now, I can feel comfortable saying that a VERY LOW percentage of members (other than board members) attend these meetings. I have been invited and was curious to what everything was about so I went to a few. It was a very eye opening experience for me actually and was surprised at how a current financial P&L statement was handed out. They were also very interested in what I had to say and thanked me for attending. I can tell you this, the board is tired and it is a very thankless job. I know several members of the board have to travel into Phoenix to attend. They had talks about having the meetings at different locations since board members live on opposite sides of the valley too. That's about as far as I can answer that question because I don't know exact distances. I have made several phone calls this afternoon to get up to date on all the goings on. From this bill to how the orgs feel about it and everything in between. I prefer to talk face to face and things always seem to stay more civilized when doing so. That's why I feel I should attend. I haven't seen any "real" damage control attempts from anyone yet and am also curious at to what the direction is that many will take. To answer your question as to how the majority of members feel in regards to the efforts of their leadership, I would be guessing if I answered that. I can, however, tell you how I feel. I feel that trust has been lost somewhat. Communication has suffered and because this bill came out of no where, I feel that someone, somewhere, may have been trying to pull something off. I don't know the facts, so I leave it at that, but I will find out. The transparency you so want to see here will not happen now. Even I can tell you that. It isn't anyone's obligation to come here and try to answer questions when they are being bombarded with insults and threats. I'm sure this will all be discussed at the meeting next week though. Thank You for replying and giving me the opportunity to explain my initial post. -
Dream buck!
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Where do we go from here?
Chef replied to archerycrazy's topic in Political Discussions related to hunting
I strongly urge anyone and everyone who wants to know the stance of the ADA on this or any issue, to go to their next board meeting. It is always open to the public and the transparecy is always there. This doesn't go for just the ADA either. I really hope that people that are vocal with their opinions and questions are also willing to show up and contribute. Believe me, simply asking questiions and raising topics at a meeting is a good start. The people that listen are there. They have been begging for input from the public for years. Volunteers are hard to come by and recruitment has dropped with the economy. Be a fresh face with passion and drive to assist with direction and operation of the organization. Maybe come back here and give us updates. (?)