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BRKNAROW, let me know if you guys dont draw out ASAP, or if you dont want to take the VERY LARGE possibility of not getting drawn, we Have lots of Landowner Antelope permits, for quite a few different areas in NM.

300WSM u are very right about everything you said. The Game and Fish have ruined our deer herds here in AZ so badly, that it makes me absolutley sick to my stomach to look back at what they used to be in parts! I have been talking with a couple very good friends of mine about this issue who hunt and are full time lawyers in the valley. We are seriously considering filing a class action law suit against the dept. if this plan does not drop. If we do this, we will be needing as many hunters from with in the state and NR hunters to back us, the money part of it will not be a big problem. We are also looking at the possibilty of including in this suit, a mandatory change in the way the deer herds are being managed in Arizona! The Kaibab which is the best mule deer hunting in the state, is at an all time low for deer! IF this continues, it wont be known as some of the best Mule Deer hunting in the world! Let me know what you guys think about this idea..And please attend as many meetings as you can, and let them know HOW WE REALLY ALL FEEL ABOUT THIS!

The numbers are low!!! Look around the Reeves trail head and the road that is at the top of the mountain to the west of the trail head

Jim, drop me an email. livehunting@yahoo.com My Nephews and alot of our family use some of the permits depending on our draw success in Az and Ut. But for the most part i sell the permits to anyone who wants to buy them! Drop me an email, and let me know what you would be interested in as far as quanity,price, etc.... P.S. Couestracker, i forgot to tell u, that the majority of the permits are Unit Wide, which means they can be used on the private ranch or on ANY type of public land with in that game unit. For example, if you bought a unit 15 cow tag u could hunt one of the ranches or in the Gila National Forest or on any other piece of public land, AND on any OTHER private land if u have permission!

unit 16a is a great unit, you probably would not do bad at all in unit 15 which is closer. If you have no luck, let me know, I have ALOT of cow and bull landowner permits for both of those areas! Which are guarnteed, so you dont have to wait for any draw! The cow tags usually run right around 4 to 5 hundred. Let me know.

CONGRATS THATS AN AWESOME BULL!!!! GOES TO SHOW TROPHY BULLS CAN BE TAKEN ON THE LATE RIFLE HUNT!!!!

Sdr your right about the heritage fund not paying for all the dang frogs and WOLVES!!!!(that are killing the few deer we have left in unit 27)!!! Our Game and Fish Support them, and they pay for as much as they can with the money they are granted/given! My fire in burning BRIGHT as he**!!! This is so unreal, i did not think our dang Game and Fish could or would ever have the nerve to try and screw us sportsmens out of our Hunting!!! And i completley agree with the rest of you, we need to get a DIRECTOR who cares and everyone that has any say so in our hunting as well!!!FOR THE MOST PART NOBODY IN THE GAME AND FISH(Including most wardens) HAVE NOT EVEN A CLUE TO HOW MANY DEER/Elk are really in each unit(but yet they lie to the pubilc, and add numbers to their so called population estimations!!!) I pray and hope to god with all my might that none of this wil pass, and please if you believe in our great Lord,do the same!!! Also as Azonecam said"Please, everyone who feels strongly about this - send emails to the commission, send letters, and get a fire lit under everyone you know who also does not want to see 50-90% of the best hunting opportunities in our state traded for higher draw odds in poor quality hunts" If this goes through they will never cahnge it back again, and hunting in Arizona will be GONE!!! Just keep barking at them, even though most of us know they dont listen!!!! I have been telling them for the last 10 years to change something with the deer, anything, even possibly putting an antler restriction on deer hunts, so the herd is not dimolshed, BUT THEY NEVER EVER LISTENED!!! They managed to find a way to mess the Kiabab hunts up big time already and now they are working on making the rest of the state worse off for hunters then they already have!!!! Please try to attend as many meeting as possible, and play hardball with them!

Does anyone know where squaw peak is in unit 23?

If Any of there BS ideas go through, especially the Movement of the Dec. Wt hunts and Sept. Archery bull hunts, I know for a fact that they will be looking at a class action law suit! There are several outfitters from Arizona and from out of state that will be pursuing the idea of a class action suit to get them to turn there CRAZY SUPPOSED managment plan around!!! And yes it is sad that they wont listen(or should i say consider) any of the sportmens ideas!

This is horrible, i cant believe they want to keep telling such lies! I SURE HOPE THEY DO NOT MOVE ANY OF THE DEC WHITETAIL HUNTS TO OCT!!! THAT IS THEIR EXCUSE FOR EVERYTHING(THAT IT WILL CREATE MORE HUNTER OPPURTUNITY!) BS!!!!

GREAT PICS, TO BAD THERE SO MUCH LION AND BEAR ACTIVITY THERE!!! (GOES TO SHOW THERE ARE TO MANY!!!)

sdr THATS ALREADY ALMOST HAPPENING!!! lol!!!!!!!! WELL ITS GETTING BAD! ESPECIALLY SINCE AZ ONLY HAS AN ESTIMATED DEER HERD OF ABOUT 90,000!!! THAT IS PATHETIC, ESPECIALLY COMPARED TO WHAT IT USE TO BE!!!! GOD HELP THEM!

JIM, I HAVE BUDDY WHO SAW SOME IN THE HELLSGATE WILDERNESS AREA(WHILE ON A PACK IN COUES HUNT), ABOUT 5 OR 6 YEARS AGO. I HAVE SEEN QUITE A FEW OF THEM IN WESTERN PART OF 27. I BELIEVE YOU!

In Overall Ranchers have definetley helped, there are SO MANY water tanks, especially up north, that the elk and FEW deer use that would not be there if it were not for the Ranchers!!! THE GAME and FISH would be in even deeper crap then they already are!!! However THERE ARE SOME ranchers that are overgrazing the land and doing some pretty bad things with blocking passage!

that is true......