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I'm neither an ASU or UA fan (undergrad at Utah), but I wouldn't be too optimistic over the Michigan State win. MSU nearly lost to Utah State on it's home opener the week before. That team never should have been ranked Top 25 in the first place.

I spoke to an assistant branch chief at ATF back on July 30th because all the hotline people had been able to tell me for two months was "pending FBI." The chief I spoke to was very nice and informative. She said that most applications don't even get considered for FBI background check for about 5 months. She also said that some applications will get flagged for special consideration by the FBI and it has nothing to do with the person or the application, it's just a random selection....kind of like the "random" TSA selection for extra inspection. When that happens, it adds an EXTRA 4-5 months to the application. The wildcard is whether or not the FBI gets inundated with standards NCIS background checks during that time (i.e. holidays, post-mass shootings, etc.) because those background checks get priority. They need to respond within 3 days on the standard transfers, whereas there is no deadline on requests from ATF. So, if volume goes up, the ATF requests sit dormant until they have more time. She told me that my application had gone to the FBI on May 21, and that as of July 30 they were getting responses from the FBI on applications they sent over on March 19.

I have a Harvester in jail. ATF charged my card on December 10th. I've been stuck in FBI background check since mid-May. I was hoping to have the suppressor in time for my daughter's youth elk hunt 5 weeks from now, but I don't think that's going to be the case. The Harvester was going to be key in reducing muzzle blast and felt recoil for her...two things for which she is particularly sensitive.

The schedule of fees for Payson shows a $300 (that's HUNDRED) fee plus hourly plan review for a pool. Also, I don't believe Beaver Valley Estates is incorporated into the Town, but I could be mistaken.

We will be there, but are likely going to stay with the ADA camp. We have three girls with tags (two @ 11 yo and one @ 15yo). Double the number of youth tags on that hunt this year. It will be interesting to see if it feels crowded.

Had they advanced to using a helicopter for herding by that point, or was that still a few years away?

I doubt that, because you can still send an envelope in for remaining tags during the walk in period. They do that so that people who don't live anywhere near a regional office can get a tag without a lot of driving.

The list of leftover tags is usually at least a day old by the time they update it. You sent the application to the wrong address, so it probably took an extra day or so to get to them. You'd have a hard time proving that it arrived in time.

I wasn't going to say anything because it was dead on here, but did anyone else notice that in mid-June someone (likely the prosecutor) filed a motion with the court. That was likely a motion for reconsideration because the court changed the dismissal from "with" prejudice to "without prejudice." An arraignment was held on July 2nd, and other motions have been filed since that time...so it doesn't look like Blake is as out of the woods as his brother thought. It is possible that some of NoBull's comments about his dad being cozy with the JP in Snowflake will come back to bite him.

Another way to make money. Don't know if it's true or not, but I heard that the Department was no longer going to sell the lists of tagholders to guides, so this was the compromise.

He said "December"....a lot of people are referring to the third hunt as a "December" hunt now...not that it matters much, the late December hunt doesn't see much rut action anyways.

I don't know what your son's limitations are following his surgery, but when I have taken kids on the Kaibab doe hunt I have just loaded up the 62gr TTSX for them in 223. It gets the job done, especially when you shoot them in the high shoulder. My tiny little daughter didn't have any problem with it last year, and it was only weeks away from us finding out that the nausea she was feeling was actually a grapefruit sized mass of cancer growing in her gut.

I'm not a metal expert, but isn't bird shot a lot harder than the lead alloys you'd typically find in a cup and core lead bullet? I would think it would be much harder to break it down in the body before it exits.

It's been settled science for well over one hundred years that lead exposure is toxic to humans. I only load and shoot barnes bullets because I don't like the thought of lead fragments in my meat...especially the stuff I feed to my kids...I didn't have much in the way of brains to give them in the first place, and I don't want to risk handicapping their development even more. That being said, I wonder how quickly lead can be ingested into the system. If a kid gets a few shards of lead in his burger, does his body have time to absorb much of it before it passes through him? If some does get absorbed, then how much is too much? In the end, I choose to err on the side of safety. I've never lost an animal to a Barnes bullet, and I've been able to get them to group well within hunting standards, so I have no reason to stop using them.

If your Google the text from his post you'll see it is the exact same story posted on a number of forums going back st least two years. It's probably some way to get through membership screening.

Old thread I know, but what changed from your first test? It looks like you started with 71gr at mag length. How'd you get that same load from 1MOA down to 1/2MOA?

I don't think G&F has anything more it can do in regards to the DISMISSED state charges. They can't punish someone if they haven't been found guilty of a violation. That could all change if USF&W filed federal charges, however. They would likely mete out the criminal fines, etc. and G&F might still be able squeeze out the civil punishment, i.e. Sampson rule and license suspension. Game and Fish does not need a conviction to impose civil penalties. Ask the DB Gray Light about his experience with that.WRONG ! AZGFD think they can impose civil penalties ! Do some research on this and get back to me ! Gray light has not paid a dime to the azgfd and still has a license . While AZGFD will try to impose a civil penalties its no different than me trying to get money from you for you being a complete tool . What it boils down to is they are not a court . Dont pay a speeding ticket you lose your drivers lic . Why because the court has the right to do that . AZGFD has went to the legislature to try to gain the authority to do this . Guess what didnt happen .The determination of criminal charges has no impact on the ability to carry out civil proceeding and penalties. It says so in the statute. ARS 17-314©: "The pendency or determination of an action to enforce the civil penalty or for payment of the civil penalty or a judgment, or the pendency or determination of a criminal prosecution for the same taking, wounding, killing or possession, is not a bar to the other, nor does either affect the right of seizure under any other provision of the laws relating to game and fish." Also, Gray Light didn't get a revocation. He got a fine. Is he still buying licenses in Arizona without having paid the fine yet? Doubt it.

I don't think G&F has anything more it can do in regards to the DISMISSED state charges. They can't punish someone if they haven't been found guilty of a violation. That could all change if USF&W filed federal charges, however. They would likely mete out the criminal fines, etc. and G&F might still be able squeeze out the civil punishment, i.e. Sampson rule and license suspension. Game and Fish does not need a conviction to impose civil penalties. Ask the DB Gray Light about his experience with that.

That depends on how far in the process he was. He was never even arraigned, so hypothetically new charges could be brought. If not, they could file slightly different charges, or even seek to have him charged in federal court. People don't realize that even if you go through a trial and are acquitted in state court, you can still face another trial in federal court based on the same set of facts. Prosecution by different sovereigns does not trigger the double jeopardy protection.

Dismissed with prejudice too...only four days after the complaint was filed.

Time to let this thread die, but this post needs to be corrected. A little over five years ago the Legislature amended Title 17 to strip the Game and Fish Commission of any authority to regulate magazine capacity. The change is found in ARS 17-231(A)(3). 17-231. General powers and duties of the commission... A. The commission shall:... 3. Establish hunting, trapping and fishing rules and prescribe the manner and methods that may be used in taking wildlife, but the commission shall not limit or restrict the magazine capacity of any authorized firearm. So, your statement does not reflect current law, and if you call Game and Fish they will tell you that they are not authorized to restrict magazine capacity--with the exception being hunts for federal migratory birds, where the federal law preempts state law.

I was near Warner and McQueen and it rained for about 30 minutes starting about 9:30. Im up on mcqueen and guad, guess it didnt make it up here. Lol Guadalupe and Cooper here...the pavement got wet, but that's about it. The gutters didn't even run.

Coconino NF twitter feed says there are "multiple" fires burning all along the Rim from lightening strikes. There is also one below the Rim just outside of Washington Park.

The models have been showing less and less rain each time they update it. Initially there was going to be 3/4" in the valley and up to 3" in the White Mountains. Now it looks like 1/4" in the Valley and about 1" in the high country...with wind and lightening.

Under the rules of procedure a member of the Commission can ask for reconsideration of a vote within a certain number of days (usually it's 30, but depends on the rules for the particular body). However, only a Commissioner who voted FOR the item in question can ask for reconsideration. Sometimes the member of a public body will change a vote to be in favor when they know they are going to lose because that is the only way they can ask for reconsideration at a later date. Not saying that is what happened here, but it's a possibility. He may just want to vote with the majority so that it appears that the Commission is unified on this particular issue. Sometimes that's important when there is controversy involved and you know that your side is going to lose.