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This is just an observation and maybe I am wrong, but most of the posts I seem to read about bergers not performing or expanding is with the mid weight 30 caliber bullets like this one. I have not shot a deer yet with a berger so I don't have any direct knowledge but I have seen 2 cow elk shot with them. Both didn't go far. 1 was this exact bullet, a 168gr HVLD out of a 300 win mag at 350 yards. 1 shot and that was it. Mine was 115gr Berger HVLD out of a 257 weatherby mag. I shot my elk twice, though I found out during gutting the 2nd shot was not necessary. My first shot was at about 260 yrds, double lung. The elk startled but didn't act hit. I thought I missed to honest. She ran about 20 yards and looked back towards me. I shot her again quartering away. This bullet went lung and then lodged in the off side front shoulder. She went 10 yards and fell. I didn't find either round but i wasnt really looking. We had 2 elk down and didnt finish processing til about 1am. that shoulder had again decent amount of blood shot in it. Neither round exited. I really like the berger bullets and plan to keep using them on game. I am loading the 168gr bullets for my buddies 3006 so hopefully some year I will be able to more accurately post in this kind of thread.

Double lung on both elk. My elk got a 2nd shot that I found out later that was not needed. The first shot hit both lungs leaving good size holes in them. She stopped and looked back at me quartering with her head away and I punched her through the lung and into the far side front shoulder. She went 10 feet and fell over. The shots were at about 280 yards. My buddy with the 30.cal was a 300 win mag at 350 yards. 1 shot double lung and she ran a little and fell. The 257 at almost 300 yards isn't going to be a shoulder breaker. The 300 probably would have been fine though.

I dumped my cow elk with 115gr Berger VLDs from my 257 weatherby. They did just fine. Another buddy used 168gr 30 cal HVLD on the same hunt. No problems either.

Update on this. I think I have narrowed it down somewhat and wanted to see if anyone had an experience with them. Nightforce SHV 3-10x42 & Leupold 3-15x44 VX-5HD. I like the nightforce a lot because it is clear and seems rugged, but I do like the Leupold for the old school gold ring appearance and the higher 15x power it offers. Thoughts? Does anyone have experience with either of these? Any other scopes I should be looking at? Thanks Harley

Longbed?

How loud is the muffler? What generation cummins? I assume dodge?

I just read an article that makes it sound like his rifles had the bumpfire stocks on them. So those are going to be ban soon. They allow for a quicker rate of fire, but are NOT fully automatic.

Very sad.

Very nice sir. Congrats.

Did you play college athletics on a scholarship? I played D1 college football at Colorado State University without a scholarship. I was able to enjoy less perks than scholarship athletes did, but got to take all the abuse and was fortunate enough to get to pay for it all too. We had athletes that couldn't pass a drug test, and athletes studying for law school. It depended on how hard the player was wiling to work and what goals they intended to get out of it in the end. One thing to remember about a decent amount of college athletes is that without athletics they wouldn't even get an opportunity to go to college because they didn't have the grade to get in, the means to pay for it, or the brain to finish it. A 4.2 second 40 yard dash gets alot of your crappy high school grades overlooked and the figure out how to get you on campus. The athlete needs to be smart enough to try and exploit the advantages his 4.2 second 40 yard dash got him while the NCAA is trying to exploit his physical skills. You are given something in exchange for skills, just like a job. As a college athlete you often have access to alot of extra help from tutors and such at no extra expense to you. If you aren't smart enough to try and exploit so that is your own fault. Maybe some schools pick your classes, but in my experience they often helped you figure out how to take the classes you needed to work toward your degree. Sometimes that meant leaving practice early a couple days a week. Sometime that meant working with tutors. Sometimes that meant having to bust arse across campus to try and get to practice on time or showing up just a few minutes late. Maybe you played 5 years of D1 football or the like at a big program and they dictated your life to you, but I am willing to attest that what I dealt with at a mid-tier school school that was top 25 ranked around the time I was there, that wasn't my experience. I would not call it slavery in the least. Do some things need to be address in college athletics? Absolutely. To call it slavery is a huge stretch.

For $125 if you get them out of my garage you can have them.

My dad just put a new set on his truck and had his old set up for sale. 4 tires with plenty of tread left. They are date coded at the end 2011. He replaced them because he is taking a long road trip and didn't want to take any chances. He is disabled and changing a tire would be very taxing on him. I can get depths if you are interested. All 4 tires for $350 obo.

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College athletics isn't perfect and needs some cleaning up, but if you really think a scholarship athlete is a slave you are mistaken. They are OFFERED an opportunity to trade there time & skills for an education, a place to live, meals, perks, etc. If they are really good at this job, they then may have the opportunity to trade those same skills for large mounts of money. If the don't have the skills to make money as a professional athlete, they should at least have a college education to help them make money in the real world like anyone else, and have ZERO student debt for it. After 4-5 years they can leave school with the same or better education than most of the kids on campus had the opportunity for (if the chose to work hard) and not have any student loans. How much does an education cost? At most universities these days they are $25K+. How much do you think the average 18 year old kit would make if they didn't go to school and just started work after high school. Maybe he makes the same $25K a year, but that money has to pay for him to live. You get that education plus room & board as a scholarship athlete. The player makes the decision on what they are doing with there life. If you want to stand on a soap box for a college athlete do it for the walk ons and the ones who don't get scholarships. They are the ones who get the shortest end of the stick, but the still had a CHOICE try and make their way in life as an athlete.

Randalls had some in stock the other day.

They both suck. I use Cabela's for a few things, but mostly I use them to look at a product to see if I like it, then order it from my LGS or online. If I have to go to a box store sporting goods place and spend money it is Sportsmans.

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Make sure to have cloths for cold weather, and wind. Weather plays a huge role in that hunt.

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Order now to build later. Most of the barrel manufacturers seem to have a 6+ month waiting list on barrels. Don't sleep on 6.5-06 or 6.5-06AI. Both would be good options on that action. That is what I plan to build someday.

Do what Lance and others have said. Also try and check your barrel twist, and maybe try lighter bullets.

Obo.

Honda generators are pretty darn good. We had an old champion we abused and ran hard. It lasted but was loud and drank gas. The Honda is much quieter and efficient. You pay for that though.

7e can be interesting for sure. 2 years ago in december we went low with success. Last year low was terrible in december.

My 300 win mag is using Nosler brass and it is really nice. My 6.5x55 is going to be using lapua brass when I start working with it. It needs a scope first though.