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They are both at fault. The GF is at fault for not enforcing there own rule, and the users are at fault for procrastination. You knew the deadline to be to work. You left just enough time to get to work barring any issues. You were late, because you didn't leave time to account for any issues. Who is to blame for the above scenario? The guy who wrecked? I think it is the word I used to start every sentence in the scenario... Let's change the scenario. You knew the elk deadline date. You knew the online app can be sketchy to get an app in at the deadline. You chose not to apply early or drive or mail the app to GF. You didn't read the disclaimer on the online app saying it doesn't guarantee it will work, or chose to ignore the warning. You missed the draw because of an online glitch with a computer system. You are pissed because you don't get to go hunting. Personal accountability?

It's not about the result date, it is about all the extra applicants that now worsen the odds of the draw lottery.

No. If you gamble on the worst choice (last minute online app) and lose, you should suffer the consequences and not get to go hunting. Just a small lesson to learn in life. We as a society don't enforce the rules enough anymore and people don't learn lessons they should in life.

So you don't want anyone to infringe on your percentage chance of getting a tag. And are willing to screw someone that really did nothing wrong, out of their opportunity to draw one. And fish and game wants all the thirteen dollars they can get. Seems like two of the same to me. It appears birds of a feather do flock together.Take care, Willie Apparently you have never read the websites disclaimer on the front page. They extend the draw to not piss people off and make more money. The Department makes no representation or warranties in relation to this website, the operation of the web-based application process or the information or materials provided on the website. By using this website and the web-based application process, you assume all risks associated with the use of the website, and the Department disclaims any liability for damages resulting from use or misuse of the website, including failure to complete or transmit an application prior to the deadline date or any errors in the application or transmission. This disclaimer means the deadline date should be 100% a hard deadline. You have plenty of time to get your online app done or take it to G&F directly. I make sure to give myself at least 1 full day incase there is an online issue so I have time to take the app to g&f in person if I need too. It's not my fault you waited to long and can't read the rules. If you read the rules and still gambled on the worst odds on how to submit your app and lost why is that everyone else's problem? Let's stop changing rules to make everything "fair". Life isn't fair.

If you wait until the last minute it is your fault. You had plenty of time. Now all the last minuters get to keep applying making my chances of getting drawn worse. AZGFD just wants to make sure they get every $13 possible. They only have X tags to issue so every application above X is just extra money in there pocket. Extending the deadline just means more people to give them $13.

If you get drawn in this unit PM me. I don't know a lot but I will share what I know. I don't plan to hunt there much.

I drew 19a one year by accident. I wrote down the wrong hunt number on the application and got drawn for that hunt. It was a cow hunt and we got skunked. Me and a buddy did get a good 50 yard broadside look at a good size 4x4 bull but of course had cow tags. It is a tough area. Elk are scattered and the areas they are in can be rough. Anything from dense brush to full pine forests. If you are putting in as a lone hunter that might not be a bad area but if you are in a group you lower your draw odds with such a small amount of tags.

If you have a service do it read the fine print on the warranty and how they will retreat if they come back. They also need to drill the slab to do the job well. The stupid power washer method the cheap places use doesn't last. Strike force did my house when we bought it and they sucked. They power washed the chemical and when they came back they will only spot treat. Don't use them.

I did my house myself. You can buy termidor yourself and mix and apply it. Dig trenches in the dirt and drill the concrete. I have a hammer drill from my construction days so I didn't need that but you can rent them at Home Depot. I bought a paint pot from harbor freight and hooked it up to my air compressor and used that to inject the chemicals with a long air compressor air wand in the holes. My father in law helped me and it took less than a day to do my 1300' house.

They are big and bulky but are fun to shoot. They are actually pretty accurate too which was cool. I got to shoot one just like this one and almost hit the far gong at the Safford range with it offhand on the first shot and I had never shot the gun before

KOH is King of the Hammers. Its a hardcore off-road race in CA. I help on the pit crew for one of the local AZ racers, Shannon Campbell. It 200 miles of racing. There are desert sections that some racers will do 100+ MPH and many heavy duty rock crawling trails that you cant do more than a couple miles an hour on. They bill it as the hardest single day off-road race in the world. About 20-30 drivers out of 100-150 entrants actually finish in the 12-14 hours given to finish the race.

Randall's is good people. I would go there first. Lone wolf could go out of business tomorrow and I could care less. Support a real gun shop, not lone wolf.

My 257 weatherby likes Hornady 117 grain boat tail soft points, and the VLD's I started to work with last weekend show a lot of promise. The Hornady SST shows good results with accuracy too. I have not shot anything with my 257 yet though to report how that went.

If I didn't have buggy parts to buy I would probably own these. The air shocks went in today and I need some limit straps and bump stops for them along with some other buggy junk. If you still have them when I get my tax return I will hit you up. Harley

I went out to the range today and got a chance to shoot the VLD's. They shot really well. The lower charges of 4831 grouped the best, but I am going to work on some heavier charges of R22. It seemed like the heavier the charge the better the group. The 4831 cases also show more pressure signs than the cases loaded with R22 at what I believe should be similar pressures and loads. I am going to load some more 4831 loads at the same weight as today's best shooters, and then I am going to start working with heavier doses of R22 and see if the groups get tighter as the charges get heavier like today kind of suggests. 4831 might be better for my lighter shooter rounds and R22 might work out to be a better barn burner round. I am also going to keep working with the Hornady BTSP bullets that my rifle seems to like a lot. Overall though I am pretty happy with the VLD. I had one 3 shot group that was sub MOA and a five round group that would have been MOA if I hadn't pulled a round. That group did have 2 rounds that basically were the same hole too. Harley

Soft point or hollow point. +p if she shoots them ok.

I like my redfield revolution on 3x9x40 with BDC reticle. Nothing super special looks wise but shoots well on my Weatherby Vanguard. The price is very fair for a good clean modest rifle scope and the warranty is great.

Unit 7w late rifle cow. 2 bp. Resident Can you run it with 3 bp also so I can convince my hunt group to do hunter safety next year. Thanks Harley

With the square trigger guard and smooth cylinder it should be 7.5". Plus it looks just like the 7.5" in my safe.

I was up in Durango when this happened and it was dang cold and windy some days. It is a sad sight but if they got wet I can totally understand.

I loaded a 5 shot 3 group ladder today with 4831 and a 3 shot 3 group ladder with RL22. I was limited on cases and RL22 so I didn't load more. I need to go to the range to free up some more cases to load. 4831: 60.0 61.0 62.0gr. RL22 59.5 60.5 61.5gr. I have good load worked up at 61.0gr with 117gr Hornady boat tails and IMR4831 so I worked around that to see what the VLDs might like. I am running resized 7mm cases so my case capacity is slightly less than real 257 brass. I will see how these do and maybe try and get some RL25 or the like. I have about 4 lbs of IMR 4831 left though so I hope to get a decent load with it too even if it is for practice. Harley

I think Randalls in Glendale had some last time I was there.

One of my potential javelina hunting spots is near a federal mining claim. The claim is posted but they doesn't appear to be active or heavily mined. There are few human or vehicle tracks on minimal signs of active mining. What is the protocol for hunting near this area? There are no buildings and this claim appears to be a weekend warrior miner at best. Thanks Harley

The mine is in the Bradshaws so I assume it is a gold mine claim. The only reason you can even tell the claim is there is the federal mining claim sign posted on a stake near a creekbed. There are no buildings that I could see, and there are no active signs of mining. There was only 1 set of tire tracks in and out. This appears to be a weekend warrior gold claim at best.