Big Tub

Monday they were at it.

The G&F guy said they don't eat carrion but their statement is they can't conclusively tell if the lions made the kill. Talking out both sides of his mouth. I seriously doubt they would kill three lions unless they were pretty sure. Less pressure on the sheep now!

I take these are not in AZ?

pics no workie

My Suzuki Equator was recalled to reprogram the computer as to avoid the airbag thing. HOWEVER, the identical Nissan Frontier (besides cosmetics) was not recalled. Go figure.

I am not sure where to put this since much has to do with hunting cranes and they can be taller that waist high. I came across some discrepancies between AZGFD and FWS, or at least the way enforcement is carried out. I talked to local G&F, Law Enforcement and he stated that for migratory, there are state laws to mimic federal and the limit is 3 shots per gun BUT he stated that there is no limit on the number of guns. I also talked to the FWS guy and he acknowledged that there is no clear exclusion of multiple guns but that all his associates figure if you need more than 3 shots, you should be busted. HUH? Also, the state guy said that you can't shoot waterfowl with lead but there is no exclusion to having both lead and non-toxic in the blind if you are hunting a field (not water). The FWS disagreed and gave me the reference of 50 CFR 20.21 a and c. I read them but that helped about as much as reading the bible in greek for me. The rift comes with what "take" means and their separate interpretations. Sounds about like "occupied" or "road hunting" in previous discussions that we have had -- clear as mud. State guy implied that he would have to find lead pellets in the carcass before issuing a citation. FWS guy said lead is illegail in the blind if you harvested a waterfowl. I guess you're OK up until then??? WHAT??? Interpretation of these laws in way more confusing than interpreting military specifications. Laws are written by lawyers for lawyers to employ more lawyers ... I detest them. Thoughts? And hopefully back them up with book, chapter, and verse.

Those pics are driving me nuts! I used the Hevishot Tungsten (less expensive than the hevishot I bought also ... next time). No waterfowl but guide kept our hopes alive for snow geese. 5 shots ... 3 cranes.

My buddy took care of it ... I would have mailed it on the previous Friday! I already have an archery tag for Jan, though. I think the Friday list 5 days after we mailed it in still listed tags as available.

What I am concerned about is that there were tags till the next week when over-the counter tags got issued and even though we mailed our request a full week before, ours was processed after the over-the-counter started.

that is one bright little rifle

https://www.azgfd.com/license/speciallicense/gamebirdfieldtraining/

I forgot about courtnix. Eurasians are evasive so I am not sure you could use those. You should call you closest AZGFD Regional office and talk to the manager that issues the Game Bird Field License. That have quite the bureaucracy around the process now.

Well, let's hear some stories.

We mailed off for leftovers on 11-18 and got denied ... thinking the G&F screwed up or the USPS. There were permits left on F that week but got back "unsuccessful hunt filled".

you aware you need permit for anything but pigeons? might call Bob Henson at Desert Pheasant.

A Ford and a Chevy pulling out a Dodge? Sounds like the start of a good joke.

"... non toxic options why bother?" COST! I have already bought some heavi-shot which runs about $5/round. Hopefully, my hit ratio will be better than on dove which takes about 4 boxes (of 25 rounds) for a limit. Looking forward to Tony's thoughts.

That is a pretty one!

That is a expensive piece of meat on which to experiment. I would pull at 120F and then package it up. Then you can finish it off. Pork butts are a bad comparison as they are cooked up to 200F.

Some of the hunts were in November. I keep looking for Wayne's story!

so how did this all turn out or is it not finished yet?

LOCATION?

and here we wait?

I'm good!

If DELW has not gotten banned, you certainly won't be.