Also to AZLance, do you have any suggestions of where to look? I am planning a trip up on september 2nd and thought about starting up near the Martinez ranch area on the San Fransisco river and the Blue river canyons. I want to also check out the Pipe Stem area as there are sheep there too. I am always open to suggestions and welcome any help. And to Younghunter, I am lucky and want to make the best of this hunt and also, nice Buck antelope you have there, what did he score? Keep huntin'!!