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Kent, I don't know that I'm 100% against tag transfer. I would support it with a doctors note, or military orders. Anything else wouldn't qualify. And I definatley wouldnt charge our service men and women and the sick a fee to turn in their tag. The whole club thing bothers me. They can't deliver a good product as it is now, why should we pay them extra to deliver a new and improved product. I think they would be better off to say if you are a member of an existing wildlife org that gets you into this new club for free. This will promote membership in existing clubs who will put the money to good use instead of waste it like the department.

I haven't talked to a single friend or hunting buddy who supports the tag surrender... I too want to know who pushing this and where did they get their numbers that say a majority support this?

Just look for him in his big red truck... no need for pm

What other states have done this? And how many people are turning their tags in each year?

Some of my best trail cam pictures yet...

Anyone on here ever hunted Unit 33 for bears? I might have to try it out now that I found this spot... How hard is it to draw?

Actually, the draw results are early every year. Maybe you can still trade your bear tag in...

Any guesses?

Cool, thanks for the help. Unit 35a.

Elkaholic...thanks for making it to the meeting and reporting to the rest of us who couldn't. I agree with just about everything you said above. Good points and thanks for speaking up.

Swivelhead, excellent review for us that couldn't make it. That was one of my concerns, that this was just a way to bring in revenue. If the department needs more revenue after the tag increases, maybe it is time to look at making some cuts instead of charging the hunters more and more. And my second concern would be who is the outside company who would build and maintain the site. Hopefully it is not one of the few company's that have run the draw web site for the past several years. Because that has been a nightmare.

Yes! G&F is very vindictive and if you criticize them on here they will come after you. Its a long story, but if you want to hear what happened to me because of posting critical posts about them send me a pm... They are like the IRS and try and punish those with views different than theirs.

They can't even run a draw web site, how are they going to run an online hunting club?

http://www.becauseitstheinter.net/pg1-top-std-colleges.html

It was front page news...

I would rather have grizzlys than wolves any day!

Potential for more deer or more tags? Or both...and the cycle continues.

How hard can it be to count to Two? I too know a guy who used some of his vacation time yesterday and today to try and hunt the last two days.

Ok, Unit 33 is a Disaster! I have hunted there my entire hunting carreer and guided there for whitetail for many years. And yes, 33 is a great unit where you can get away from other hunters and most of my hunts I have never seen another hunter, and in 22 years of hunting and guiding, I have only seen Game and Fish 3 times (once in 1993 had WM Jon McGehee check my deer on the drive home, Once ran into WM Katie Pruss while scouting back in 1993, and once in 2000 had WM Bob Fink come to camp while I was guiding). As For WM Martin Guerena, I have heard he was assigned to this unit for several years now, but have never seen him. So lets look at the numbers for unit 33: (I got these tag numbers and hunt success numbers from the 2014 Hunt Reg booklet) Oct Jr. Hunt 151 tags --- 64% = 97 bucks taken / 2 October General Hunt 700 tags --- 37% = 259 bucks taken November General Hunt 700 tags --- 26% = 182 bucks taken November Jr. Hunt 176 tags --- 38% = 67 bucks taken / 2 Late November Gen. Hunt 700 tags --- 35% = 245 bucks taken November Muzzle Hunt 200 tags --- 11% = 22 bucks taken / 2 December Gen Hunt 50 tags --- 60% = 30 bucks taken Total Whitetail bucks taken in 2013 = 828 bucks taken ( I divided the Jr. hunts and Muzzleloader hunt in half due to it being any antlered deer) I know 33 is a large unit, but a big part of it is Saguaro National Park. Im not sure any unit can sustain killing 800+ bucks a year. And these numbers I provided above have been pretty consintant for the past few years. I understand that they did a survey, and the hunters spoke and wanted more opportunity. But for the love of God, put the deer as the priority. Like I said, I have hunted this unit for 22 years, and I have noticed a big decline in the deer numbers. And its not just WT, Mule deer herds that used to be large, are non-existent in some areas. The WT buck to doe ratio used to be pretty good at 4:1, but nowadays glassing up 100 does for every buck is crazy. This cant be sound management. The WMs need to speak up, dont be afraid to go against management if you see something wrong. Promotion at the expense of the wildlife cant be your only goal in life. Yes, Hunters want more opportunity, but the opportunity to actually see a buck is dwindling. I think I can speak for most hunters, yes we want more opportunity, but not just the opportunity to go camping and see no deer. P.S. I have never seen Tony Mandile in the field either...

You guys are really gonna piss off Tony Mandile with all this negative Game and Fish talk... this(online draw) could become huntings next perversion.

Takes a poacher to know a poacher I guess. This is disgusting! Why am I not surprised to find a grip and grin photo with this guy in it? Reminds me of the cop in Colorado that got caught and convicted of poaching and tried to influence public officials, destroy evidence, you know Shawn Wagner stuff! If I ever get stopped by this moron in the field I'm calling the County Sheriff immediately. I'll let them sort it out! I'm going to .make that picture my avatar photo

i only put in last day, always will. getting a 2 bonus pt desert bighorn is all the superstition ill ever need. got in at about 6:55pm last day when i was living in pinetop. Its a gamble, but I can respect that. I'll take all the luck I can get. But I think AZGFD needs to post a disclaimer in the regs and on their website stating that there will be no deadline exceptions for website malfunctions. It might encourage people to get their apps in sooner. Why don't they just fix it?

I filled out my application last week and had a lot of issues as well it took me over three and a half hours to get my apps in last week. I was trying to put one of my sons friends in for deer today and ran into this issue. Hope I can get his app in...first time hunter.