apache12

I used this in the back yard once to check it other than that it's new. I'm just more of a rifle hunter. It has two nice cargo straps to secure it and back pack straps. It's the climber style. I don't know the brand. It comes with the harness sold with the unit and I have a heavy duty harness that my nieghbor and APS lineman sold me. It's valued at over $100 alone. I'm in Phoenix and can meet in the valley. I don't want to ship this thing. $100 for everything.

Contgrats to your daughter on that tag. Maybe we'll bounce into each other in the area. I'm in a tan toyota tundra, tent camp and it will just be me and the boy swing by the camp if somwthing looks familar. Good luck

OK, I'm a rifle hunter but have owned a bow for 8 years. I've also have only bow hunted three times and had one chance to draw on a deer that never came in close enough for my confort. I do shoot my target in the back yard for fun but I'm not nearly as skilled in archery hunting as rifle. This year my 14 year old has drawn a jr cow elk tag in 3a 3c and I also picked him up a used PSE bow from my neighbor who is a solid bow hunter. I thought while we are scouting for his elk hunt we should also try to tag a deer in the aug bow hunt. I dont have a stand so I'll just ground hunt either sit a spot or glass and stalk. I'm thinking I'll elk hunt mostly near fr 300 and south of black cayon lake. Ayone have any experience deer hunting up in that area, and is it possible to scout for elk and bow hunt for deer at the same time, or will I just be average at both? Thought it be fun to get the boy up at a chance for a deer while he's learning his elk area.

Hard to argue with any of that. I like the ballistics on the 7mm-08. I just have one small problem, not enough money for the guns I want. Don't even get me started on the Optics I need.

I have three young boys 14,12, and 7 and I have little Savage 223 bolt that they love shooting and they're accurate and comfortable. I have larger caliber rilfes and they can shoot them especially my 14 year old, but the 12 year old want to hunt the 223 if he gets a Coues tag this fall. If I keep him under 300 better yet under 200, and the shot is in the kill zone can I be condfident of a good kill? If so, any bullet suggestion, I dont hand load? Does anyone hunt with a 223 already? I don't mean head shot or neck shot for good shot.

Apache12: That's a good plan, but give him plenty of time to get used to the .243. For one thing, it's much louder than a .223, which is something parents often forget when introducing their kids to shooting. For another, the recoil (although insignificant for an adult) is nearly four times that of the .223. Data I have shows the .223 with 55-grain bullets having 3.2 foot pounds of recoil energy. The .243 with 95-grain bullets has 11.0 ft. lbs of recoil energy, and that's quite a step up from what he has been shooting. It really wasn't a hunt. It was a cull, and the corporation that owned the huge property and its wildlife made a party of its annual springbuck harvest by inviting business associates and friends to participate. I was honored to have been invited, but I wouldn't want to do it again. We were instructed to kill every springbuck, no matter age or sex, that passed between our flags. It was catered, with lots of fancy food and libation after the morning and afternoon shoots, and fun was had by all, but it wasn't hunting. Please excuse my crass commercial announcement, but you may enjoy reading my book, "Sixty Years A Hunter." It's $40 plus shipping and handling from Safari Press. I can send you an autographed copy for the same. Bill Quimby Bill, Can I mail cash up to you for the book? I'm a UA grad and left UA in 91 for Army serivce maybe I read you in the paper. I read your bio on Wiki. Happy to meet you. Chad

oops. still figuring this forum think out, meant to attach this reply to Bill. Bill, What a cool story about the Africa hunt, sounds like ot be fun to sit a campfire with you sometime and listen to some hunt stories. Think I'm going to have him hunt the 223 and just get him in close as can be had on a coues. He loves to shot it and he's confident, I think that's half the battle at his age. If I find a deal on a 243 before the hunt I'll move him up to it.

If anyone is looking for a new bird dog, look into this breed. French Brittany. I've owned lab,golden, and two GSP's loved them all. GSP's can hunt quail with the best of them. This Fr. Brit pup has been great, pointed on quail on his fourth hunt as a 6 month old, retreives dove on a urasian dove hunt at 8 mo. can't wait to see how he does this year. What I like most is that he is really mellow in the home. Calm and lays down fine, no digging or chewing. Simply a sweet house dog. Angels in the house, Devils in the field.

Interesting post on the 243 for elk. Was it Cow hunt? My 14 year old has a cow tag I think he'll use my 270 but I had thought about getting a 243 but thought it was to light for elk. How far was the shot?

nice set up.

That one going to eat good

Nice video and good solid Bucks. I was wondering what caliber were you and your brother shooting?

I emailed Hornady and asked about the round they'd recommend for a Coues under 300. They said thier new Superperformance at 53 grain would be a great round. I agree with everyone the said a bigger 243 makes more sense and someday I'd like ot own a 243 but I may just give it a try with the 223 this year if the shot presents itself at around 200. Having said that I've haven't seen to may Coues at 200 on my hunts. I'm sure I'll change my mind three or four times before the hunt, but that's half the fun. Thanks for your opinions everyone.

I hate to think of the loss of quality wilderness and peoples homes and cabins by this fire, and like previous post I'd like to know why the new isn't reporting this more. Also, obvioulsy the deer and elk will move out of the area, I'm curious how far into neighboring areas will game likely move, and what effect will it have on the exsisting game when these new deer and elk move into there area? I guess I mean regarding food source? Could this enhance hunting in neighboring units or have a negative effect. These questions may be to soon to discuss, I don't want to seem insensitive to the folks that live in the area.

I'm new to the site, but I have a full size truck and can pull a trailer if we need to help anyone clear out I'm on board to help. Let me know I'm in.

All good stuff. Thanks. I also emailed Chuck Hawks website and he said like Lark that for scope shooting once the eye is closed it is the dominant eye. I'm going to the range this weekend and have some fun shooting both sides. Thanks for all the reponse.

OK, this is my first post, but I've been reading the forum for a few years, I guess I never had something to ask that hadn't been asked before. I was just helping my 7 year old get dialed in on his ruger 10/22 and becuase he eats left, writes left, but bats right and throws with both hands I figured I should check his dominant eye. Well I learned he is right eye dominant, which should be good for a family of three boys and thier dad (me) who are all right handed, except in teaching him how to check I learned that I' left eye dominant. So how did it take this long for me to figure out? I was never the best shot in the Army, but shot expert, but they did put me on the M60 for a reason, was never a great shot. I mostly hunt pig and coues, and I always shot a bit to the right, so I just always did a bit a Kentucky windage and accounted for my right shooting. I thought it was that I had a heavy finger and just needed to practice. I guess I've been successful I've shot a few coues at 350 and 400 yards plenty of pigs and such, but I've never felt real comfortable. I shoot my shotgun with both eys open and don't own a hangun. So I went to the range with my older boys 223 and shot a group at 50 yrds right handed that was nice an tight and all 2 inches left. Then I switched and shot left at 50 and I was dead on at 50. Is this an easy question, time to switch to left? Can I just crank the scope a few notches to the left? I dont really have the money to go buying new guns, but it was kinda wierd shooting a right gun lefty. Any thoughts would be great. Thanks

Well, I'm really happy to hear that it sounds like I can keep my right handed bolt actions. I'm just going to keep practicing with my boys 223, easy and cheap gun to shoot. It did feel odd yesterday at the range, I kept having a hard time finding comfort with my right hand. I have my boys 223 on a bipod, so I just shot on the bench and crossed my right hand back underneath and rested on my left forearm. I did start shooting my shotgun both eys open a few years back because I just thought i shot better, now I know that it was because my left eye was dominant. Sure does explain some dove and quail misses that just didn't make sense. Well, I kinda excited to go shoot my first left handed coues, going to feel like my first deer all over again. Thanks for all the advice, I love the site, good honest help. Hope to post a pic of my first left handed coues.