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Definitely some good shooting Lance.

"Us hunters need to stick together." That phrase is being used a lot as of late. While I agree with this statement to a point the reality is that this idea will never truly come about in today's hunting world. It would be impossible to get all us hunters on the same page when it comes to how we hunt. I've been hunting since the early 80s and I would say that the divide between us hunters is at an all time high. The cause of this could be many things but there's no denying that the increase in technology has a direct correlation with the division of the hunting community. More hunting technology=an increase in hunter divide there's just no way around this fact. The question you have to ask yourself is what's more important hunter unity or more technology?

Could this have anything to do with the archery deer being over the counter? If archery kill rates keep going up we might lose the over the counter tags. Maybe the G&F is doing what they can to keep the over the counter archery tags. Just a thought.

Will do. Good luck this year! None. I like my freezers how I like my cast iron pans...Well seasoned

I too am somewhat OK with more raffle tags as long as these tags stay in the hands of the G&F and not the CAPAZ. Maybe I'm wrong but I would assume that the same law changes needed for the G&F to give out raffle tags are the exact same law changes needed for the G&F to give out auction tags. If this assumption is correct how long do you guys think it will be before these raffle tags are turn into auction tags? As of now I think the current law is one of the biggest hurdles stopping the CAPAZ from getting auction tags. To me it doesn't matter if this tag grab is being sold as raffle tags or auction tags because as soon as the law is changed it will be that much harder to stop these tag grabbers of the CAPAZ from getting the auction tags they so desperately want. But hey like I said earlier maybe I'm all wrong on this and I'm just being overly paranoid.

Hey Catfishkev just wanted to let you know I got it moved and setup. It's working great thanks again!

Never mind got my answer from another thread.

I tried watching the meeting but I kept losing my connection. Can someone please verify if the airbow rule/law got passed or not? From what I pieced together it almost sounded like all these new proposed rules were in a packaged deal. All pass or none pass.

I'll take it off your hands for $20.

Nefarious can you explain to me why you think auction tags would be a good solution? I'd like to hear opinions from both sides of this issue but as you can tell there's a shortage of pro-tag grab people on here sharing their thoughts on why/how issuing CAPAZ auction tags would be a viable option.

lots of good ideas on this thread already. Lets get those thoughts clarified on paper, pick a person to present them and lets get moving. I tend to agree with the auction tags. But I will definitely set my thoughts on that aside if we have a better way. lots of good ideas on this thread already. Lets get those thoughts clarified on paper, pick a person to present them and lets get moving. I tend to agree with the auction tags. But I will definitely set my thoughts on that aside if we have a better way.Agreed there are a lot of good ideas already in this thread but I'm still trying to get an answer on how the proposed auction tag idea from the CAP guys would work when 100% of the monies generated from these tags would go back to the G&F. Since you tend to agree with auction tags can you answer for me?The proposed auction tag money would not be handled by CAPAZ. This would be handled by Game and Fish to do the kind of education not allowed by Pittman Robertson. The political funds would be handled by CAPAZ, and not come from autions or raffles. Thanks for the reply I but that didn't answer my question. How are the political funds that are to be handled by the CAPAZ going to be raised? If none of the money generated from these auction tags is going to the CAPAZ political funds then why are the tags needed by the CAPAZ in the first place?

lots of good ideas on this thread already. Lets get those thoughts clarified on paper, pick a person to present them and lets get moving. I tend to agree with the auction tags. But I will definitely set my thoughts on that aside if we have a better way. lots of good ideas on this thread already. Lets get those thoughts clarified on paper, pick a person to present them and lets get moving. I tend to agree with the auction tags. But I will definitely set my thoughts on that aside if we have a better way. Agreed there are a lot of good ideas already in this thread but I'm still trying to get an answer on how the proposed auction tag idea from the CAP guys would work when 100% of the monies generated from these tags would go back to the G&F. Since you tend to agree with auction tags can you answer for me?

Nefarious Red any ideas on what should be done in order to raise these needed funds?

Don't know if this has been answered yet but did the CAP guys ever explain how they plan on generating money? I remember reading something a few pages back something to the effect that there would be two separate accounts one for the AZGF and the other for the CAP but I don't recall seeing how they plan on making money for the CAP. I'm still at a loss on how they plan on making the millions they said they needed to fight off the anti groups if they are giving 100% of the tag monies back to the G&F.

Correct me if I'm wrong but from what I've read so far is that the AZGF can't legally deal with anything political so a third party is needed(Conserve and Protect) to fight these political battles for us. The third party S&P wants the AZGF to give them tags to raffle and auction off to generate money to fight the bad guys. After which 100% of the money generated from these raffle/auction tags is then given back to the AZGF where it legally can't be used for what the sole purpose of it being raised in the first place. If this is correct how does the Serve and Protect guys get the money needed to help us fight the political bad guys if 100% of raised tag monies goes back to the AZGF?

Good to see a government agency going with the majority for once. I think the G&F should add some sort of polling system in Portal where hunters can log into and vote anonymously on new rules and regulations. Voting results can then be viewed by everyone on the G&F website. This way us hunters can effective voice our opinions on the rules and regulations to the agency and more importantly to our fellow hunters without any of the negative backlash from those who oppose with their opinion. And none of the G&F vagueness added to the questions either just straight forward questions. Do you want to see all trail camera use banned within a 1/4 mile from any man made water source yes or no?

Maybe there were more people for this new rule than those who were against it. I know a few guys that won't voice their opinion online anymore because people tend to be less civil and down right dill holes especially online when it comes to opposing the new ways of hunting and hunting tech. I'd say close to 75% of the guys I know wanted this new rule.

People can shoot long range with compound and recurve as well.

Thanks for the heads up. Going to send my letter as soon as I get the chance. A letter of appreciation thanking the G&F for getting this done. My uncle can finally hunt desert muleys in the rut with the rest of us. He's going to be pretty pumped about this. I've been calling the G&F offices quite a bit over the past two years asking them about this airgun. After all the time talking to them I really didn't think they were going to make it legal.

I'm all about fun hunts. The worst sheep tag in the state doesn't sound all that fun. From the stories I've heard a late tag on the Bab is about as fun as it gets. Deer tag for me.

I've been hunting/filming in that area and surrounding areas since 2005. I too have noticed a decrease in antler size over the years. This year was one of if not the worst year for me being able to find bigger bucks. Like others have said this seems to be a common trend in these border units as of late. I'm not going to even begin to speculate on what is causing this trend but I will say I don't think it's not just one factor causing the decrease of the older bucks in these areas. Or it could as simple as my eye sight and hunting skills are deteriorating with age.

Very cool, if my kids were of age to hunt I would do the same thing! Ive seen some down there but never thought about putting in for there! How is the public land access? I don't know much about the access just yet. I don't think there's very much area to hunt antelope in this unit. The tag is also for 35b but I don't know anything about 35b. I should have plenty of time to get out and scout out some bucks.

Agreed! AZ antelope is a very hard draw. I drew a 35a rifle tag with 17 pts. Even though this is my first antelope tag I'm thinking on signing it over to my 12 year old daughter. Should be fun either way.

If your a guide your screwed. Ain't nobody gonna believe a guide using a trail cam on water is doing it just for fun and not for hunting. Maybe this new rule was more aimed at guides over using trail cams on water sources when compared to everyone else.

Gonna be a huge game changer on the strip.