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Kinda wonder why AZGD did not post the following? Anybody know what the outcome of today's voting on rule changes? AZF&G Meetings tomorrow and Saturday. http://azgfd.net/art... ... -7-8.shtml Commission meeting to consider fishing regulations; raptor, reptile, amphibian, crustacean & mollusk regulations; and Notice of Proposed Rulemaking amending Article 3 (taking and handling of wildlife) Sept. 5, 2012 The next meeting of the Arizona Game and Fish Commission will be this Friday and Saturday, Sept. 7 and 8, at the Game and Fish Department headquarters at 5000 W. Carefree Highway in Phoenix (1.5 miles west of I-17). The meeting begins at 8 a.m. both days. Items on the Friday, Sept. 7 portion of the agenda include: • Update on state and federal legislation. • Presentation on a pilot project proposal to evaluate a landowner-departmental compact to manage public access. • Request for approval of several Memoranda of Understanding with various entities. • Request for approval of disposal of a portion of commission-owned sovereign lands located along the Gila River. • Request for approval of a Notice of Docket Opening, Notice of Proposed Rulemaking, and Economic Impact Statement amending rules within Article 3, addressing taking and handling of wildlife. • Request for approval of Notices of Docket Opening, Notices of Proposed Rulemaking, and Economic Impact Statements amending rules within Article 7 (addressing Heritage Grants) and rules within Article 9 (addressing Arizona Wildlife Conservation Fund Grants). • Request for approval of a Notice of Docket Opening, Notice of Proposed Rulemaking, and Economic Impact Statement amending rules within Article 5, addressing boating and water sports. • Hearings on license revocations for violations of Game and Fish codes and civil assessments for the illegal taking and/or possession of wildlife (time certain at 2 p.m.). • Overview of the 2012 Commission Award nominees and request for the commission to vote to select the 2012 Commission Award recipients. Items on the Saturday, Sept. 8 portion of the agenda include: • Consideration of Commission Order 40 (Fish) establishing open seasons, open areas, closures, and bag and possession limits for 2013 and 2014. Click here to see the commission memo. • Consideration of Commission Orders 25 (Raptors), 41 (Amphibians), 42 (Crustaceans and Mollusks), and 43 (Reptiles). The commission orders establish open areas, season dates, possession limits, and annual permit limits for 2013 and 2014. Click here for links to the proposed commission orders. • Consent agenda items, including updates on various department programs and activities. The public can view the meeting any of three ways: (1) attending the meeting in person in Phoenix; (2) viewing it via video stream at any of six Game and Fish regional offices; or, (3) viewing it over the Web at www.azgfd.gov/commissioncam. Members of the public may submit Speaker Cards (Blue Cards) if they wish to speak to the commission at the Phoenix meeting or from any regional Game and Fish office. Public comment is not available for those viewing the webcast online. The Arizona Game and Fish Commission is the policy-setting board overseeing the Arizona Game and Fish Department. It consists of five members (serving staggered five-year terms) appointed by the Governor and confirmed by the Senate. No more than one commissioner may be from any one county. No more than three may be from the same political party. Since its inception in 1929, this organizational structure has served as a buffer for the best interests of science-driven wildlife conservation during eight decades of back-and-forth political change. For a complete meeting agenda, visit www.azgfd.gov/commission(click on the Commission Agenda link). The Arizona Game and Fish Department prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, sex, national origin, age, or disability in its programs and activities. If anyone believes that they have been discriminated against in any of the AGFD’s programs or activities, including employment practices, they may file a complaint with the Director's Office, 5000 W. Carefree Highway, Phoenix, AZ 85086-5000, (602) 942-3000, or with the Fish and Wildlife Service, 4040 N. Fairfax Dr. Ste. 130, Arlington, VA 22203. Persons with a disability may request a reasonable accommodation or this document in an alternative format by contacting the Director's Office as listed above.

The time is here, see below! Tomorrow and Saturday! AZF&G Meetings tomorrow and Saturday. http://azgfd.net/art... ... -7-8.shtml Commission meeting to consider fishing regulations; raptor, reptile, amphibian, crustacean & mollusk regulations; and Notice of Proposed Rulemaking amending Article 3 (taking and handling of wildlife) Sept. 5, 2012 The next meeting of the Arizona Game and Fish Commission will be this Friday and Saturday, Sept. 7 and 8, at the Game and Fish Department headquarters at 5000 W. Carefree Highway in Phoenix (1.5 miles west of I-17). The meeting begins at 8 a.m. both days. Items on the Friday, Sept. 7 portion of the agenda include: • Update on state and federal legislation. • Presentation on a pilot project proposal to evaluate a landowner-departmental compact to manage public access. • Request for approval of several Memoranda of Understanding with various entities. • Request for approval of disposal of a portion of commission-owned sovereign lands located along the Gila River. • Request for approval of a Notice of Docket Opening, Notice of Proposed Rulemaking, and Economic Impact Statement amending rules within Article 3, addressing taking and handling of wildlife. • Request for approval of Notices of Docket Opening, Notices of Proposed Rulemaking, and Economic Impact Statements amending rules within Article 7 (addressing Heritage Grants) and rules within Article 9 (addressing Arizona Wildlife Conservation Fund Grants). • Request for approval of a Notice of Docket Opening, Notice of Proposed Rulemaking, and Economic Impact Statement amending rules within Article 5, addressing boating and water sports. • Hearings on license revocations for violations of Game and Fish codes and civil assessments for the illegal taking and/or possession of wildlife (time certain at 2 p.m.). • Overview of the 2012 Commission Award nominees and request for the commission to vote to select the 2012 Commission Award recipients. Items on the Saturday, Sept. 8 portion of the agenda include: • Consideration of Commission Order 40 (Fish) establishing open seasons, open areas, closures, and bag and possession limits for 2013 and 2014. Click here to see the commission memo. • Consideration of Commission Orders 25 (Raptors), 41 (Amphibians), 42 (Crustaceans and Mollusks), and 43 (Reptiles). The commission orders establish open areas, season dates, possession limits, and annual permit limits for 2013 and 2014. Click here for links to the proposed commission orders. • Consent agenda items, including updates on various department programs and activities. The public can view the meeting any of three ways: (1) attending the meeting in person in Phoenix; (2) viewing it via video stream at any of six Game and Fish regional offices; or, (3) viewing it over the Web at www.azgfd.gov/commissioncam. Members of the public may submit Speaker Cards (Blue Cards) if they wish to speak to the commission at the Phoenix meeting or from any regional Game and Fish office. Public comment is not available for those viewing the webcast online. The Arizona Game and Fish Commission is the policy-setting board overseeing the Arizona Game and Fish Department. It consists of five members (serving staggered five-year terms) appointed by the Governor and confirmed by the Senate. No more than one commissioner may be from any one county. No more than three may be from the same political party. Since its inception in 1929, this organizational structure has served as a buffer for the best interests of science-driven wildlife conservation during eight decades of back-and-forth political change. For a complete meeting agenda, visit www.azgfd.gov/commission(click on the Commission Agenda link). The Arizona Game and Fish Department prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, sex, national origin, age, or disability in its programs and activities. If anyone believes that they have been discriminated against in any of the AGFD’s programs or activities, including employment practices, they may file a complaint with the Director's Office, 5000 W. Carefree Highway, Phoenix, AZ 85086-5000, (602) 942-3000, or with the Fish and Wildlife Service, 4040 N. Fairfax Dr. Ste. 130, Arlington, VA 22203. Persons with a disability may request a reasonable accommodation or this document in an alternative format by contacting the Director's Office as listed above. ________________________________________MANAGE YOUR ACCOUNT: Change your E-mail address or subscriptions. Unsubscribe from all lists.

The time is here, voting tomorrow and Saturday AZF&G Meetings tomorrow and Saturday. http://azgfd.net/art... ... -7-8.shtml Commission meeting to consider fishing regulations; raptor, reptile, amphibian, crustacean & mollusk regulations; and Notice of Proposed Rulemaking amending Article 3 (taking and handling of wildlife) Sept. 5, 2012 The next meeting of the Arizona Game and Fish Commission will be this Friday and Saturday, Sept. 7 and 8, at the Game and Fish Department headquarters at 5000 W. Carefree Highway in Phoenix (1.5 miles west of I-17). The meeting begins at 8 a.m. both days. Items on the Friday, Sept. 7 portion of the agenda include: • Update on state and federal legislation. • Presentation on a pilot project proposal to evaluate a landowner-departmental compact to manage public access. • Request for approval of several Memoranda of Understanding with various entities. • Request for approval of disposal of a portion of commission-owned sovereign lands located along the Gila River. • Request for approval of a Notice of Docket Opening, Notice of Proposed Rulemaking, and Economic Impact Statement amending rules within Article 3, addressing taking and handling of wildlife. • Request for approval of Notices of Docket Opening, Notices of Proposed Rulemaking, and Economic Impact Statements amending rules within Article 7 (addressing Heritage Grants) and rules within Article 9 (addressing Arizona Wildlife Conservation Fund Grants). • Request for approval of a Notice of Docket Opening, Notice of Proposed Rulemaking, and Economic Impact Statement amending rules within Article 5, addressing boating and water sports. • Hearings on license revocations for violations of Game and Fish codes and civil assessments for the illegal taking and/or possession of wildlife (time certain at 2 p.m.). • Overview of the 2012 Commission Award nominees and request for the commission to vote to select the 2012 Commission Award recipients. Items on the Saturday, Sept. 8 portion of the agenda include: • Consideration of Commission Order 40 (Fish) establishing open seasons, open areas, closures, and bag and possession limits for 2013 and 2014. Click here to see the commission memo. • Consideration of Commission Orders 25 (Raptors), 41 (Amphibians), 42 (Crustaceans and Mollusks), and 43 (Reptiles). The commission orders establish open areas, season dates, possession limits, and annual permit limits for 2013 and 2014. Click here for links to the proposed commission orders. • Consent agenda items, including updates on various department programs and activities. The public can view the meeting any of three ways: (1) attending the meeting in person in Phoenix; (2) viewing it via video stream at any of six Game and Fish regional offices; or, (3) viewing it over the Web at www.azgfd.gov/commissioncam. Members of the public may submit Speaker Cards (Blue Cards) if they wish to speak to the commission at the Phoenix meeting or from any regional Game and Fish office. Public comment is not available for those viewing the webcast online. The Arizona Game and Fish Commission is the policy-setting board overseeing the Arizona Game and Fish Department. It consists of five members (serving staggered five-year terms) appointed by the Governor and confirmed by the Senate. No more than one commissioner may be from any one county. No more than three may be from the same political party. Since its inception in 1929, this organizational structure has served as a buffer for the best interests of science-driven wildlife conservation during eight decades of back-and-forth political change. For a complete meeting agenda, visit www.azgfd.gov/commission(click on the Commission Agenda link). The Arizona Game and Fish Department prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, sex, national origin, age, or disability in its programs and activities. If anyone believes that they have been discriminated against in any of the AGFD’s programs or activities, including employment practices, they may file a complaint with the Director's Office, 5000 W. Carefree Highway, Phoenix, AZ 85086-5000, (602) 942-3000, or with the Fish and Wildlife Service, 4040 N. Fairfax Dr. Ste. 130, Arlington, VA 22203. Persons with a disability may request a reasonable accommodation or this document in an alternative format by contacting the Director's Office as listed above. ________________________________________MANAGE YOUR ACCOUNT: Change your E-mail address or subscriptions. Unsubscribe from all lists.

This was sent to me: Good Afternoon: The City of Scottsdale’s McDowell Sonoran Preserve Commission will be meeting this Thursday, September 6, 5:00 p.m. at Florence Ely Nelson Desert Park, 8950 E. Pinnacle Peak Road. A Bow Hunting Update has been agendized for possible direction and recommendation by the Commission. Anyone with continuing interest in this subject is welcome to attend the meeting and is entitled to speak during the agendized item. You may view the agenda at the following link: http://www.scottsdaleaz.gov/Assets/documents/BoardAgendas/MSPreserve/2012+Agendas/09-06-12_Amended_Agenda.pdf Regards, Jim Heitel, Chair McDowell Sonoran Preserve Commission

Stud 1st archery buck! congrats!!

Preston, Congrats on a hunt of a lifetime, I think if I remember you also passed a few bucks? I enjoyed talking with you and watching you chase the big boy. I am still very impressed with your positive attitude and archery dedication. I also saw your picture from Cliff, beautiful pronghorn! So you did not get him from my set up? Mike

Tonto Rim, Thanks for your insight and well spoken words, but I have to disagree with you, as a former WLM can you answer the following? If G & F is so worried about hunter success and the number deer being taken by archers, then why is allotted 20% cap on archery deer success is based on a rifle tag holder’s survey card. This is based on a 40% return rate, so archers are mandated by a projected number of successes by rifle hunters. G & F has to guess and use a formula to project harvest numbers “ for the tag allotment each year”, again on assumed harvest by rifle hunters. If G & F was truly worried about the number of whitetail bucks being taken, don’t you think they should have mandatory success reported by all hunting methods? Also 2 years ago G & F removed December opportunity from units 22 and 23 “in the name of two many deer being taken” and since then we have not even meet the 20% cap allocation on whitetails in these units. There have been very few complaints from archers on this loss of hunting opportunity in 22 and 23. So why would there be a concern, if we are not even hitting the 20% cap that was based on a 40% return rate of rifle hunters? Also remembering,this was a knee jerk reaction that added many new units to a draw opportunity for archers. It only took a year before they admitted there mistake and added them back to over the counter tags opportunities. Also you stated, the number of whitetail bucks being harvested is due to higher baiting over the last few years? Can you tell me what factual data that has been collected in Arizona by AZ Game and Fish to show that yes, baiting was the reason for the success. Is this your opinion and G & F opinion that the reason for higher success. Or is this due to higher success from a boost in hunting technology, bows, rangefinders, ect. Or possible, sites like this one that do such an awesome job educating so many more hunters on ways to be successful. I remember just a short few years ago when we did not have discussion forms, and very few people bragged, talked about hunter success unless you were face to face with them. Let’s not talk about trail cam pictures because just 5 years ago, know body had them except 35 mill and they were not being posted all over web sites. So how would anybody know about all these deer photo’s and successes? At that time G & F sent there survey card and hoped for people to respond, again, making decisions on a 40% return rate. One last item, what scientific data or research has been done on Arizona wildlife on the effects of baiting, salts or water being transferred to our wildlife in the name of CWD and other types? I cannot find any that has been done or is in progress. Maybe it is time instead of putting more rules on the books to try and stop an assumed harvest tactic, we make all species harvest mandatory and we collect the harvest methods to give our wildlife managers the facts instead of guessing? Or just maybe perform another 3bar wildlife study on baiting? I would think making decisions on factual data would be the logical approach instead of an assumed idea. Thanks Mike

Yes sir, you going to see your freind on the ranch?

Great shooting, hopefully Todd make it happen

Steve, With the up most respect for you, I have to disagree with you. With that said, I also think you have done more for wildlife in the last 10 years then many of us. With CWD, if this was truly an issue, concern, then salt blocks would be axis of this debate. As you know elk is the most users, then mule deer, consumer of this type of “BAIT”. They will destroy hundreds of pounds per year, all along “licking the same spot over and over. Thus having numerous elk, deer, transferring saliva over and over, so G & F is worried about our herds transferring CWD then this would be the #1 ban! But it is not, this a few personal agendas to stop a few licensed guides that use this for their benefit and an assumed harvest ratio, plus a few supervisors within the Dept. personal agenda to make it go away. The same guys that wanted to end our Sept Bull hunts just a short few years ago in the name of opportunity! We all thought they were in left field then wanting to take those hunts, but I have to think they are now back in left field. Steve, can you tell me what scientific data that has documented on AZ elk, Az turkey and Az mule and coues deer on the effects of baiting? Factual data collected from Az G & F or from any hunting organizations like NWTF, AZ ELK, AZ DEER, of harvest success over baiting? Currently they use a 40% survey card to limit bowhunters to a 20% cap of success and we are the only ones that have mandatory reporting? I hear so many rumors that baiting has a high success, but there is no factual documentation to support this idea. Are you or any other person aware of this study on Az wildlife? Mike

113 6/8th

Any one seen the list, It will not post from their site?

Stub bucks for 6b.. 51, 36, or where ever.....

Any word on Tonto?

26th 2:00 pm

Sold, Thanks!

sold thx!

Thank you Az Bowhunters Association for always being there to speak for our rights. It just seems like just a few years ago, you were fighting to keep our September Bull hunts. Thanks for a job well done!

I agree, I also received one and they work great, I just checked my inbox and must of deleted his contact.

I received my Resourse Guide today, best one yet! Thanks!

It is clearly because they do not manage for wildlife, if they wanted the facts then all species would have a mandatory reporting structure. The problem; Wildlife manager gives his opinion, let say 300 bucks to be harvested in a unit, Reviewed by Supervisor, he changes it to 400 bucks to be harvested, Goes for review to big game manager, he changes it to 500 bucks to be harvested, Reviewed again before commission meeting for approval and add another 100 making 600 bucks to be harvested in the name of hunter retention, recruitment, "more opportunity." Commission looks at pie chart, see's archery success is 20% success based on a 40% return rate on rifle hunter harvest mail flyers. They then approve closures to archery opportunity. This is very close to how it is done...

checkout Boazmans archery hunts. tons of hogs!

I am still trying to figure out why she went to bed, you stayed up on the computer, she wakes up goes to bed on the couch then you go to bed in the room.. hummmmm May be time for a date night

Make sure to get one that goes 20 feet, we have shot a few from them.

Brian, Great video of the heron. Your right that cat was a bigg-in!