Coach

Maybe I'm missing something here, but the statute and revised statute posted here don't indicate anything about the parent/grandparent/guardian that signed over the tag being present. Only that the Jr. hunter is accompanied by a legal guardian during the hunt. The way I read the rules and the intent behind them, is that any parent/grandparent/legal guardian can sign over their tag to Jr. hunter, and as long as that Jr. hunter is accompanied in the field by any legal guardian, they are legal. I think the intent is to get younger hunters in the field. And while it is strange, hunters up to 18 years old can be considered Jr. hunters. So they don't necessarily want the tags going to 16-18 year olds who can hunt on their own. The intent, as I see from the statutes is to provide the ability of adults to sign tags over to "mentored" Jr. hunters - meaning Jr. hunters who still require the guidance and companionship of a legal guardian while hunting. If there is something in these statutes that indicates otherwise, I'd love to see it. Overall, I think this is a GREAT program, but I can see where, especially with the online draw, whole families including grandparents apply for tags they have no intention of using then signing them over to basically "adult" Jr. hunters. Man, I hope this doesn't get corrupted because its intent is solidly in favor of getting more young hunters in the field.

According to what LVTHNT posted it sounds pretty clear that any legal guardian can accompany the jr. hunter - not just the guardian/parent/grandparent that signed over the tag.

Nice boots, good price. I'm just about 1 size too big to make them work for me. Someone will enjoy them.

Not Roosey, but something to get you pumped. My buddy and I shot over 50 carp on San Carlos when the crappie fishing got slow. 5 doubles and 1 triple...

Pix - for fun...

I'm not going to be the first guinea pig and test my luck, but I don't mind writing a letter to G&F to see if this could be extended to youth siblings.

Sorry TJ, didn't mean to derail your thread buddy.

Please go to Roosevelt and kill as many carp as you can, they have taken over the lake. I suspect it is why the crappies are not doing so good since they raised the dam. I tried a couple weeks back but we just couldn't find carp. I had myself and 3 boys, 2 bows just dying to find some carp to shoot. I know they're there, but I guess the conditions have to be right for the big schools to get near the surface. On San Carlos, as soon as the wind started blowing we could see huge "Carp Balls" in every cove. It wasn't like you were aiming at a fish, we commented several times that it was like shooting at a hay bale from 10-15 yards. The carp were in tight schools right at the surface. That's why we had so many shots where you'd reel in and have not one, but two, even 3 carp stuck on one arrow.

You guys might want to meet in globe with the 18 pack and the minnows and head to San Carlos. Fishing earlier this week was super hot. By the time I got there it had slowed down but my buddy and I still managed to get 26 crappie on jigs, mostly by 10 AM, then a whole lot of carp with the bows. We had 5 doubles and one triple (two/three carp on one arrow) on the carp shooting with well over 50 surface suckers stuck.

Thanks Kevin, that definately answers my question, although I'm a little bummed. Both brothers would have been happy to give their little brother their tag. No biggie, maybe next year.

The best thing we can do is take kids hunting and show them the world we grew up on. Let them fall in love with it and become the next passionate voices. As far as the capitalized motivation for a lot of hunting, that's just natural. I used to dream of finding a way to make a living that was tied to my love for the outdoors and quite frankly sometimes I'm envious of those who have. Just part of the game now, IMO.

Smokin' deal. I know somebody's gonna spend their tax refund on these. I sure wish they had put the range button on the other side...

Not much to add, leave it as it is. Yes we all hear about the guy who "got drawn again" and the other guy with x-many points that has yet to draw. Overall, the current system is fair and if you really do your homework you can learn to balance frequency of tags with demand (what some call trophy potential) and hunt quite a darn bit with some really high quality hunts along the way.

Fantastic thread, Amazing photos, great people...I love CWT. Thanks.

Got a couple of youth elk tags. Who needs meat?

I guess it depends a lot on what you want to spend. I've got a Mossberg 835 that came with a turkey choke and fiber sights and it has done well for me. It's a little finicky about shells, some pattern way better than others. One thing for sure, shooting 3.5" magnums, it kicks like a mule. A semi-auto would kick a lot less, but for a few shots a year, this one does OK. Like Elkaddict said, just pick the right shells, as they all shoot a little different. (Kind of expensive to try too many out at today's turkey load prices).

Wow, nice mount and great looking buck! Love it.

First year in a long time I won't be applying to NM for anything. They don't want us out-of-state DIY hunters, so I won't buy a license to apply. Funny thing is, the outfitters will still make their money but the state will lose out on applicants. It will be interesting to see how long the state will lose money so that the outfitters can take advantage of this law before they wake up. No worries, we have plenty of game right here.

Thanks Elkhunter1, for taking this idea public. I'm ready with labor and donations and have contacts with people who have the resources. We're all ready and willing, if we can get cooperation with G&F. I think this idea has a lot of merit and promise.

I brought this up on a similar thread, but it bears repeating. The men and women of this state that hunt and fish have a HUGE supply of materials and manpower that, I beleive they would be willing to donate for access around private property. We can't ask AZG&F to do all the work to create easements around private property, but how many hunters do you know with back hoes, graders, dozers, water trucks...everything needed to go right around the ranches that sit at the only access point to hundreds of miles of hunting country. If we could create a group that worked with G&F to legally create new roads around private property into the vast country that is being blocked, I know without a doubt that people would be willing to donate their time, work, equipment and sweat to sucure that access, without asking for a dime from the state. I also think that through donations we could reimburse our the guys with the equipment for at least their fuel and time. Look, we all have to pay-to-play whether it's the Tonto Pass, Reservation fees, parking and boat ramp fees at most lakes, and we don't have a choice in that matter. What if we picked an area, one at a time, and asked for donations of time, money, equipment and labor to just go right around these isolated pockets of private property that have blocked off thousands of acres of our land? Seems to me like it would work.

That was a really well done video - definately a fun watch. Nice job.

Saw this on the bowsite too. These guys really have their foot in their mouth. I hope they get a good dose of reality when they recognize that they have alienated much of their clientele.

Garmin GPSMap 60 CSX - hands down. I used an older eTrex Vista for years, great little unit. The newer, 60 CSX sells all over the board. I think I got mine for $300 including mapping sofware and a micro SD card. Now they're around $500 or more. This thing is nuts and bolts GPS - fast aquisition, expandable memory and great battery life.

Hey Scott, Happy Birthday! Best wishes to you and yours.

Pic... I'll do one with the bull barrel tomorrow..