WhtMtnHunter

As a lifelong AZ resident this is a no-brainer! I love AZ but the choice is simple really. NM all the way. There is no unit in AZ where you can hunt bulls in prime time every year. More like every 8+ years. It comes down to math. There are twice as many elk in NM than AZ and 1/3 the population of people. The odds reflect this and you will hunt elk in NM many more times than you ever will in AZ. Throw in the free ranging exotics and NM is one of the best states in the west as far as hunting is concerned. You can always cross the border and take advantage of AZ's OTC archery deer hunts for about $500. Personally I would move to AZ for 6 months, get your lifetime license, and then move to NM!

It's equally or even more important to look at the amount of points it takes to be in the bonus pass. 2 hunts may have very similar overall odds but one might have a lower 20% pass. For example, several years ago I applied for 2 archery bull elk hunts. First choice was unit 1 followed by unit 3B. Unit 1 was about a 6% draw and 3B about 10%. Because of the number of points i had at the time I drew the 3B hunt in the bonus pass round. In other words my 1st choice was never even considered. The bonus pass round looks at and includes both your 1st and 2nd choices.

I will add $20 to the pot for the next draw. Winner gets my $20 plus rossislider's $20 if he is willing to do it again! (please open the window more than 2 weeks)

http://www.sportfishingreport.com/pages/docktotals.php Bluefin! Top Gun and Reel Champion are looking good for some early season action!

Hi, I drew a Goulds tag for 33 and am heading down next week to scout a little. Have hunted 33(northeast side) for 15+ years every January for coues and javelina but haven't seen a turkey. So am planning on heading up towards Summerhaven and trying to find them a little higher than average javelina country. Not looking for someone's secret spot but just some general areas to check out. Any help is greatly appreciated.

Hey biglakejake, where do you get the fish counts?

Interesting! Perhaps it was the Aspen Fire that hurt or eliminated them? My tag just says "Bearded Turkey" , but I really applied and want to make sure I get a Goulds. Any quick way to identify them?

Did I win? Or did we all lose? Kinda feels like both...

Who needs that many points??? Brian I STILL HATE YOU! Its good to be hated every now and then. WhtMtnHunter good luck on your hunt. Ive hunted them three times now, and I want to do it again. Thats how much fun it is. Brian Thanks Mr. standman! I'm getting really excited!

I think I remember reading that all the Merriams died off in the 80's in the Catalinas for some reason.

Thanks for all the replies! Hopefully I will be able to post some success pics in a few weeks. muledeerarea33? - there is an archery only hunt in the Rincons, however my hunt is limited to north and west of Reddington road.

I had 9 points. How many are you sitting on? I usually don't get lucky in the draws, always take max points for me to draw anything!

Thanks bowhnt! I had not considered the hippies trying to interfere. That is not something I have much experience with. How long did it take you buddy to get one?

I just updated my card(3/20). It is still open. They usually send out the email so that they can reduce the amount of calls/attempts after the draw. They also typically cut off the update period about a week before they start running cards. It's still a ways out.

You guys sure are optimistic! Haven't even received the "update your credit card" email yet! 10.59 am March 31 (but really the credit card hits won't start until April)

Just my experience having killed my 10th javelina last Sunday. 3 with my rifle, 6 with my bow, and the last 1 with my muzzle loader in 4 different units. I am sure there are better advisers around but these are just my thoughts. 1. If I am specifically looking for javelina then I will never find them. Instead I convince myself that I am looking for deer, cattle, mountain lion, or anything other than pigs. I will tell myself that this is a scouting trip for future hunts and look for other game while I am glassing. This last trip I saw many deer and a fox in the first 90 minutes, and enjoyed every second of looking, before I spotted the herd of skunk pigs.. 2. Javelina seem to move later than most other animals. I have been up well before dark, hiked to a top of a hill with great views and not seen anything for 2 hours after sunlight. Just this last Sunday I was in a great spot with 360 degree views, about 270 degrees of that view seemed like perfect habitat. After 90 minutes i decided to pack up and move. As I dropped my tripod and looked down there was a herd of pigs on the "unfavorable" hillside just 150 yards away. 5 minutes later I shot the biggest one with my muzzy at 136 yards. Most of the pigs I have taken have been between 9 and 12. 3. Terrain that "looks good" to you means nothing to a javelina! Don't try to out-think a javelina, you will lose every time! 4. When you find pigs don't just get too excited and immediately rush after them. Watch them for 15-20 minutes. Often they will change directions several times and the stalk you may have originally taken will be useless. 5. Always remember a "successful" javelina hunt is one where every one else gets a pig but you! They are very skunky animals, consisting of 90% guts, and there is no shame in passing from shooting one! Good luck!

Here you go! 2015 AZ fall leftovers.pdf

If you are just starting out in the NR tag game, then definitely get the Huntin Fool for a year. The $100 is well worth it for the information you will need to get you started. You can always go back and look at the old magazines, the information rarely changes. If a new unit rises, by the time you see it in print it will be too late anyway. I look back at my Huntin Fool mags from 10 years ago and there isn't much difference.

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This is an interesting concept. My only question is are you bonded? And for how much? Meaning if, in 10 or 15 years, you decide not to do it anymore for any reason, or you sell the business to someone else, or god forbid you pass away, will those who have paid in for several years be able to get all their money back? A performance/indemnity bond might cover this contingency. Just curious, good luck with your venture.

That's pretty neat! I want to do this hunt soon. Let's see some pics of your Buffalo!

I prefer to get in as close as possible. At 300 yards or less I can clearly tell if the animal was hit and how well. I am curious what percentage of long range (1000 yards or more) hunters actually take the time to walk(1/2 mile or more) to where the animal was to look for blood? Unfortunately I think that would be a rather low percentage. Otherwise why not get closer for the initial shot? To each their own. Maybe it would be a good idea to have different seasons for different hunting methods. Rifle with scope, rifle with open sights, muzzy with scope, muzzy with open sights, compound bows, recurve/longbow seasons. More opportunity for all different styles. The more primitive the weapon the closer to the prime rut.

As long as you don't mention Blue Ridge, the Rez Line, behind the country club, Marshall Flat, Porter Mountain, Jacques Tank, and Sky Hi Retreat I am with you!

Always put mine in my hunting pack with a pen. Superstitious so I never sign my tag until the animal is dead. I know technically this isn't allowed but whenever I run into a game and fish officer and they make me sign my tag I might as well throw it away because I just got jinxed.

Geez! What a surprise! Looks like instead of a seat at the table we get to sit alone. Ironic how Game and Fish is fully behind the Mexican wolf and their motto is "Managing today for wildlife tomorrow" when they apparently have little control over the Mexican wolf expansion and all the species it will affect in the future. Game and Fish Commission concerned that draft EIS for Mexican wolf fails to include Arizona Cooperator’s Alternative Commission encourages stakeholders to comment on the draft The Arizona Game and Fish Commission voted last Friday to take several actions related to Mexican wolf conservation in light of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service’s (Service) recent release of the draft Environmental Impact Statement (dEIS) on proposed rule revisions that govern Mexican wolf recovery. The commission directed the Arizona Game and Fish Department to continue working with the Service to develop a rule that protects all state trust wildlife species and includes key elements of the Arizona Cooperator’s Mexican wolf conservation alternative. The department also was directed to develop a full range of options for the commission to consider including congressional involvement, litigation or withdrawal from the Mexican wolf reintroduction effort if a rule cannot be developed that is acceptable to the department. The commission expressed concern at the absence from the dEIS of the Arizona Cooperator’s Alternative that was developed by 28 cooperating agencies and stakeholders and submitted to the Service for consideration. This scientifically-based alternative supported further cooperation between federal and state agencies and stakeholders to achieve a self-sustaining wolf population. “As the chair of the Arizona Game and Fish Commission, I’m profoundly disappointed that the Service failed to include the Arizona Cooperator’s Alternative in the dEIS. This alternative does exactly what the Endangered Species Act requires the agencies to do: It allows the Mexican wolf population in the southwest to expand using sound science and contribute to the recovery of the subspecies, while also recognizing that recovery cannot be accomplished in Arizona and New Mexico alone,” said Robert Mansell. “Most importantly though, the alternative provides the Service with a management approach that balances the need for expanded Mexican wolf reintroduction areas with social tolerance of those most affected by the program.” The cooperators’ alternative included: Allowing up to triple the target number of Mexican wolves in the Southwest from the 1982 recovery plan’s goal of not less than 100 wolves to achieve a self-sustaining population. More than a 900 percent expansion (11 million acres) of the area in Arizona where wolves can be released and where they can disperse and establish territories. Establishing a connectivity corridor for wolves to disperse to the subspecies’ core historical range in Mexico. Recognition of the importance of Mexico as a primary element to successful Mexican wolf recovery. “The biology of wolf repatriation has been relatively easy. The greatest challenge has been to develop social tolerance for the program,” said Mansell. “Without social tolerance, Mexican wolf recovery will never achieve full success.” Until the more than 30-year-old recovery plan for Mexican wolves is updated by the Service, this 10(j) rule will provide interim guidance for managing the program. The Service will accept written comments on the proposed rule and dEIS through Sept. 23, 2014. Those interested in submitting comments should submit comments to the Service; see www.fws.gov/southwest/es/mexicanwolf/ for instructions on how to submit comments. The Service also will host two public information sessions and two public hearings on the proposed rule and dEIS. The information sessions will take place from 2 to 4 p.m. and the hearings will be held from 6 to 9 p.m. on the following days: Monday, Aug. 11 at Hon-Dah Conference Center, 777 Highway 260, Pinetop, Ariz. Wednesday, Aug. 13 at the Civic Center, 400 W. Fourth St., Truth or Consequence, N.M. The Game and Fish Department will be submitting comments on the dEIS. The department supports the proposal to delist gray wolves in the U.S. and list the Mexican wolf as an endangered subspecies of gray wolf because it recognizes that the Mexican wolf still faces conservation challenges and warrants continued protection and management. The department has multiple concerns with the proposed revision to the Mexican wolf’s 10(j) nonessential experimental population rule. The Arizona Game and Fish Department and Commission have been supportive and actively involved in Mexican wolf conservation since before the first wolves were released in 1998. Department biologists lead daily field work to guide the reintroduction of Mexican wolves. These biologists also live in the communities most affected by the program, providing them with a unique on-the-ground perspective. The 2013 year-end population count showed a minimum of 83 wolves roaming Arizona and New Mexico, up from 75 wolves in 2012. This is the third consecutive year that the Mexican wolf population has experienced more than a 10 percent population increase.