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Well in Issue #81 of the Varmint hunter Magazine Brian Litz of Berger bullets and the United states Air Force Academy did a comparison of different bullets to determine actual B.Cs as compared to published B.C.s and for the 140 Hornady amax at a velocity of 2800 fps, he claims the actual B.C. to be .600 even. 15 points higher than published data. The actual drop out of my rifle differs slightly but when I adjust the B.C. down to .595 and using the drop charts created by the Berger ballistics program they match pretty dang close, dead nuts out to 500 and within a click out to 800 of my actual shot drop chart. So although this method may not be the most scientific, out of my rifle pushing a 140 Amax at 2820fps I determined my true B.C. to be .595. Interestingly enough the 178 grain Amax tested in the same experiment by Brian Litz was actually lower than published data only achieving a .481 instead of the published .495.an overestimate on hornadys part by almost 3% Berger Balisitics software with a 200 yard zero 178 grain Hornady Amax B.C. = .495 velocity = 3050fps 300 Win mag at 1000 yards is producing 827 ft/ lbs of energy 270 inches of drop and 80.10" of drift in a 10 mph wind 6.5-284 Norma 140 grain Amax B.C. = .585 Velocity = 2850 707 ft. lbs of energy 281 inches of drop 70.70" of drift in 10 mph wind As you can see both cartridges are pretty close at long range. The major difference is the 300 Win needs a much bigger bullet pushed by 68-80 grains of powder depending on the powder you use to achieve the same thing accomplished by the 6.5 that only requires 48-58 grains of powder. What the 6.5 lacks in energy it more than makes up for in efficiency, felt recoil and wind drift.

Notice how I said 90% of the energy of the 300 win mag. Also your b.c. is a little low for the Amax. Truth be told for the 300 to match the wind bucking ability and sectional density of the 6.5 you would have to move up to the 200+ grain Bullets. Yeah the 300 will hit harder but the 6.5 packs plenty of energy to get the job done.

I have built many savages for under a grand with high quality parts. Savage actions can be had for 400 or less depending on what one and where you get it. Screw a barrel on from the maker of your choice for $300 and add 25 bucks to upgrade the springs in the accu trigger then spend another 100-200 on the stock of your choice and you will have a rifle that will shoot just as good as any custom built Remington for less than half the cost. Not to mention the savings of not having to pay a smith to build it. You can do it all yourself. As far as calibers go a 6.5 is very hard to beat especially at long range. A 6.5-284 pushing a 140 bullet will shoot flatter than a 300 win mag and drift less in the wind. The 6.5 will also deliver 90% or more of the energy of the 300 mag at 1000 yards. Anything that can be done with a 300 you can do with a 6.5-284 without all the recoil and no where near the powder usage.

47.4 grains of 4064 and a 130 Berger has worked amazingly in my 270.

Shot like a champ. 1/2 groups at 100 yards and a velocity of 3600fps with 36 grains of 4064. I have a bunch loaded up for coyotes this winter. Thanks again for letting me try a few.

That's what I wanted out there Jeff but I had a scope go south on me the week before the hunt so I went with the back up.

39 MOA to be exact is what it took to drop him.

Thanks Amanda, and congrats on your buck as well.

I vote savage just for the ease of upgrading and barrel swapping ability. The Savage will shoot just as good if not better than anything out there.

Coues taste so much better though. So yeah I'm a meat hunter and that's why I hunt the tasty ones and not the carp ones. There is no denying the difference in quality of meat between the two.

What makes you the be all end all of coues hunting? I didn't know I had to have approval from the mighty omnipotent jbird to pull the trigger on my hunt.

I have never been called a trophy hunter ever. Am I proud of the long shot I made. Yes. Did I do it to show off? No. Would I have liked to kill a bigger deer most definitely. The reason that little spike died was because I didn't want to throw all the time, hard work and money away that it takes to go coues hunting. There are two sides to every coin jbird grow up and get over it or go cry over on some Justin bieber forum where that crap is tolerated.

We were using a leica range finder and the rifle is one that I built. It is a 6.5-284 built on a savage action with a 26" Criterion barrel. The Amax worked really well it penetrated the whole deer at that distance so no recovery of the bullet. But it don't take a whole lot to penetrate 6" of little tiny coues. Small hole going in and one about the size of a nickel on the way out. I would say that it performed just fine. The deer was dead in a matter of seconds what more could I ask for.

We were absolutely positive it was a buck. Brother could see horn in the binos and I could see horn in the 24 power scope. We also knew that we were the only people in there as there is only one road in and out and we were the only ones on it. I never set out to prove something on this hunt just wanted to fill a tag in the limited amount of time I had for the hunt.

The 270 is relatively flat out to 300 yards. I would zero at 200 and hold a little high at 300. The point being you can hold on the animal out to 300 no problem.

I know what my Ruger can do so what's your point. A Ruger rifle is more than capable to hunt coues with even to 500 yards. What experience or proof if any do you have to prove that a Ruger rifle is less accurate than a Remington or anything else for that matter besides what you may have read online. I am a savage guy personally but I do own Ruger and Remington rifles as well and each and every one is tuned to shoot well beyond 500 yards with ease. Load development and the guy behind the trigger is more important than the brand of rifle.

You need to get out more. If your shooting competition your not using a bought off the store shelf Rifle anyways more than likely every gun on the line has a high quality match barrel installed. Were talking hunting rifles here in which case a Ruger can do anything a Remington can do.

Might also try shooting the tubbs final finish bore system down the barrel to smooth out any imperfections there may be and see if that will reduce the fouling any.

The rings may be made better today but what lapping does is square the rings to the bases and the Rifle so that there is proper contact and alignment with everything. Also nail Polish works wonders for lock tight applications it holds well and you can remove it when you want no problem.

Yes case volume is what you want to check not case weight. You can have two cases weigh way different but have the same internal case volumes. Separate by case volume and your groups will shrink and your extreme spreads and standard deviations will come down. Its worth the extra effort.

4350 should work well in that case as well as that bullet. You shouldn't have a problem finding a recipe it likes.

Just re read this thread and have to argue that the Ruger will shoot just as good as any Remington I have ever seen. Remingtons are fine rifles for sure but they are far from the be all end all of rifles. Just about any rifle on the market today can be made to shoot at least MOA with a good hand load and a simple bed and float job. Besides that the fit and finish of the Ruger I find to be far superior to any Remington.

The 25-06 is a perfect deer cartridge and very effective on elk as well. Relatively light recoil and extremely flat trajectory. I wouldn't hesitate to shoot a deer way past 500 if your capable of making the shot. A 115 Berger bullet at 3100 plus will drop anything you will hunt around here no problem. I shot a coues deer in 2010 with my little 250 savage with the same bullet at 2760 fps at 662 yards and it was just as dead as if I had used a 180 grain bullet from a 300 mag.

Mirage is the best indicator of wind speed out in the field. If its moving up in a 45 degree angle wind speed is 0-5 MPH and if its straight across its 10 plus. Another trick is to pick up some grass hold your arms straight down along your side drop the grass and point to where the grass lands on the ground then guesstimate what angle your arm is in relation to your body and divide that angle by two to reach an estimated wind speed. I read that in a sniper training and tactics manual.

Burris rings would be the way to go for sure but you shouldn't have a problem with bore sighting using the factory mounts and scope unless you are too close or the scope is bad. There should be plenty of adjustment to get on paper at 100 or 200 yards using a factory setup unless there is something really off.