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What difference is there between a berger that don't come apart and say a bullet like the accubond that doesn't come apart? Like I said I've never had a problem with a berger doing exactly as they claim they would. In fact I have found them to even work best when there slowed down at longer ranges.

I have done it in the past and had some success with it in cartridges based on the 30-06 case while using the slow burning powders. Generally as a rule I do not use a magnum primer until I have a powder charge over 58 grains. You will find more often than not a magnum primer can give you very erradic pressures and standard deviations in your loads when used in a standard cartridge. There are exceptions though it all depends what your rifle likes.

Just called and found out I picked up the late Nov 29 hunt. Pretty stoked looks like me and the 6.5-06AI get to make it happen after all. This was also my 2nd choice.

I wouldn't hesitate at all to shoot the berger past the 750 you have calculated especially with that bullet carrying that kind of energy. I have never had one not perform like they are supposed to even at very long ranges. If the berger did fail and by that I mean not penetrate 3-4" before fragmenting causing the massive internal damage that I know and love, it would act much like the accubond in terminal performance, expanding at least a little bit and poking a hole through the animal leaving a blood trail to follow or coming to rest somewhere inside the animal.

I like both scopes but have to say the Leopold is a much lighter scope and with its 1" tube is a lot easier and cheaper to find quality rings for. I can't tell the difference between glass quality as both offer crystal clear pictures for my eyes but I do think the Leopold is a nicer looking optic especially on a hunting rifle.

I predicted the BCs to be somewhere around what the Amax is offering as they both have the same bullet design and polymer tip. Sounds like I wasn't to far off. I knew there was no way they were getting 80-90 points higher than a berger just by looking at them. I hate the way Nosler calculates BC.

Practice practice practice. Practice from different shooting positions different angles and different ranges. Practice in adverse weather conditions in the cold in the hot in the windy in the calm. All the best equipment in the world won't make any difference if you don't practice with it and get to know the rifle. Putting the bullet where its supposed to go is more important than anything else.

On a site where 80% of the guys/gals won't shoot past 500 yards and of the 20% that do maybe only half have put in the work to be consistent at that 500+ yard ranges what's the point of talking about 1000 yard performance? The same point that makes the same 80% on this site shoot a 300 win mag or larger to harvest an 85 pound deer. If 500 yards or less is as far people are going to shoot then why don't they all shoot a 243.

This much is true. But only looking to 500 yards doesn't give a clear picture of cartridge overall performance. Pretty much any common medium game centerfire cartridge provides enough energy to make things dead at 500 yards especially these little coues deer. I know there are not varying degrees of death but there is indeed varying degrees of cartridge performance.

If you reload I wouldn't say that it is any more expensive than the 7mm mag or 300 mag to shoot. Factory ammo though probably is more expensive than the others for no other reason than it is not as popular as the others. I have no doubt that you would love the rile and the caliber but if cost to shoot is a major concern then you may be better off with a more popular factory cartridge. The .25-06, 270 Win, and .30-06 are all great calibers and work well for just about anything. If you want flat shooting lots of energy and a lot less wind drift, then the .264 Mag is very hard to beat. I dont know how much you are willing to pay for this rig but keep in mind that you could build a tack driving custom savage with match grade barrel and a fancy stock of your choice for right around a grand. Brand new and in any caliber you choose. It may not win any beauty contests but it will shoot well within the standards of that custom piece your looking at and best of all the work could all be done by you. No need for a smith with a savage.

And what they hit don't run off. Thats why I like em.

Generally guns retain their value pretty well regardless of caliber as long as they are not beat up. It sounds like a very nice set up and you should be well pleased with the caliber choice even though its not overly popular. Are you picking this up used?

There's about 420 ft lbs more energy with a 140 out of the 6.5 at 1000 yards and about 31" less wind drift when comparing a 130 berger at 3000fps for the 270 and a 140 berger at 3100 out of the 264 win mag. At 500 yards the windage and elevation are much closer but energy is still greatly in favor of the 264.

Can you post a link I can't find anything on the game and fish site about leftovers at all.

No tag for me. Going to try and snag a left over.

Nice rifle and in a great caliber.

Its a post 64 so not control feed. No feeding issues at all though everything works fine. As far as hot loads go Im just starting to see slightly cratered primers at 59 grains. Easy bolt lift and extraction and primer pockets remain good and tight.

It was really good to start with. I didn't touch anything but the barrel.

I clean after every shot for the first 20 then after every 5 for the next 30 during break in. After that I don't clean until accuracy falls off which is a different number depending on caliber, barrel, bullet and powder used. As a rule I try to clean every 150 rounds or so.

Great rifles. I have the wood stock version and it will print half inch groups at 75 yards with CCI maxi mags. That is a jack rabbit bustin some buck right there.

But I seen a picture of the groups your getting with that rifle. I bet that brought a tear due to a different emotion.

I need at least 50 new unfired cases I don't care what brand. Can't seem to find any available at the usual sources. Thanks.

I need new unfired. I cross posted on a few forums and I got some on the way. Thanks anyways.

The Amax has performed for me very well out of my 6.5-284 but my other 6.5s don't seem to like them as well as the bergers. Brian litz had an article in the varmint hunter where he tested various hunting bullets and said the Amax was one of the slickest in the business but was one of only a few hornady bullets tested that was under estimated. I made a PDF copy of the article if anyone wants it shoot me an pm with an email address. Very interesting read.

You can probably find a good load with those primers just start low and work up. If you are not happy with the results you can try a different primer and see if that settles it down. I have always had really good results with 25-06 with magnum primers and 4831. Very similar case capacities and charge weights with the 6.5-284.