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Absolutely.

Randy Anderson is my coyote calling hero and the reason i went with the primos call over the fox pro. I figured if it was good enough for him then that's what I wanted. Little did I know that he probly had a truck bed full of callers because they don't last more than two stands.

Dont mess with the alpha dog. I had one and it only lasted long enough for me to loose the receipt so I couldnt take it back. Fox pros are top of line and work really well. I suggest you save a bit more and get the model above the one your looking at. Make one purchase instead of upgrading later on.

I had the Pleasure of helping some good friends of mine on a December Coues Hunt this weekend. The hunt started with my friends Ryan and his wife Annette picking me up at 5am. We dint have to go far and we were set up and glassing by sun up. I took them to a canyon that I always find deer in. Its one of those that just gets driven by and never really hunted hard. We glassed for a couple hours and didn't find anything so we decided to hike up and over the next ridge and glass into a nice bowl. After about ten minutes I find a nice 3x3 buck that I guessed to be in the mid 80s with nice chocolate colored horns chasing a few does. I tried to get Annette set up for the shot but just couldn't get her to find the buck in the shadows with her scope. Ryan said he had him picked out and was ready to take the shot. A quick range revealed he was 690 yards away and presenting a perfect broadside shot. His first shot hit low and the buck just stood there looking around and gave an opportunity for a second shot. The second shot hit low as well but was much closer and the buck decided he had enough and decided to bolt up and over the mountain. After few disappointed moments and choice words we decided to continue glassing the area for another buck. I went back to watching the does hoping another buck would show up and sure enough a small spike appeared to continue the harassment of the does. Since the big dog on the block got run off he figured this was his chance. After watching him for a bit through the 20 power Steiners I could see that he had only one antler and that he was limping badly due to his left rear leg having been broke at the knee. As we were watching him Annette said you know what, this is my last day to hunt and this is my third year with a Coues tag and I have yet to seal the deal on a Coues buck. She decided to try and take the buck and put him out of his misery and fill her tag and the freezer at the same time. After getting her on the buck and getting her set up in a comfortable shooting position the small spike had moved to almost the exact position the bigger 3x3 was at when Ryan shot at him. I ranged the spike at 680 yards and told her to turn her turret to the 700 yard mark and hold at his belly line. She said she was ready so I gave her a wind hold and told her to shoot when she was ready. About 10 seconds later the .260 barks and I am able to watch the bullet vapor trail of the 120 Amax hit its mark just above the elbow joint in the small bucks shoulder. The hide of the buck rippled like throwing a stone in a pond and he toppled forward and began rolling down the mountain. Annette made an amazing one shot kill on this small buck at an incredible 680 yards. The 120 Amax performed amazingly providing through and through penetration leaving a quarter sized exit hole and turning the heart and lungs to mush. All I can say is that I wish we were able to get her set up on the first buck because I have no doubt in my mind that she would have her hands around a nice 3x3 instead of this little spike. I don't think any of us would have changed a thing though. Congrats to the long range huntress and thanks for letting me be a part of the experience. The first picture is of Annette and her trophy. you can see where the bullet entered just above the elbow joint. The second picture shows the exit hole left by the 120 grain Amax. It looked like the buck was shot in the knee joint of his rear leg on one of the prior hunts probably the youth or October hunt. The third picture is of the shooting position. The shot was taken from the right peak in the rock out cropping.

Great buck scott! Nice shooting and outstanding write up as well.

The 130 berger classic hunter with a b.c. of .497 and launched upwards of 3150+ is very hard to beat. The advantage of this purchase is that it is a savage. If you end up not liking the caliber its very easy to change it to something you prefer.

Thanks Scotty.

I never have before but I did on the last hunt I helped out with. I will never do it without gloves again.

All the credit goes to the steiners for that. They are by far the most impressive binoculars on the planet in my opinion.

I don't think you will be disappointed with the purchase. Sounds like a great deal on the rifle and it is a great cartridge that is more than capable for elk.

Still just a hole. Not exactly what I would expect for "rapid expansion" and still nothing different than the berger would do. I agree the topic has been hijacked and I apologize. My points have been made and I'm done here.

Thank you

Well like I said 9 times out of 10 the berger shoots better for me. Just so happens my 6.5-284 much preferred the Amax over the berger as far as accuracy goes and why I used it. It also didn't expand much and just poked a hole but the hole was in the right place. I don't believe it did anything different than the berger would have if it in fact failed to expand.

Funny you mention the Amax and bullets that should be used for what they are designed in the same sentence as those are stated directly by the manufacturer not to be used for hunting. I know they work well, I have killed animals with them and seen plenty killed with them. But I still shoot what shoots best in my rifles and 9 times out of 10 its the Berger. After all its about putting the bullet where it belongs more than anything. A quality shot in the vitals will produce a clean kill at any range every time regardless of bullet choice.

Like I've said before. The 1800 number is probably a safe recommendation and does not guarantee that the bullet will not work below that. I have personally seen them work extremely well at long range and below that threshold.

Everything I have read about them has them working very similar to the berger bullets. Funny how this seems to be ok now that noslers name is on the box for the nosler guys.

Wow what a buck!

What does that have to do with the topic? And what makes you think there dirty and dont bathe? There beards?? Did they mention something on the show about not having personal hygiene I missed? Either way, like it or not, not everyone(not referring to you Stomp) is ok with other people liking the same sex and it doesnt make them "vile" cause they feel that way. My eyes tell me they need to bathe. Have you seen these guys? Everyone of them look like they haven't seen a bar of soap in months. And yes phil did mention in one of the episodes that he doesn't bathe for long periods of time. I have no problems with beards I happen to be a pretty big ZZ Top fan. I also happen to agree with Phils expressed opinions 100%.

My opinion is that each and every one of them duck dynasty yahoos need to take a bath. Especially that dirty dad and uncle of theirs.I like the show and think it has great values and provides good family entertainment but I have a hard time celebrating people that don't wash their donut on a daily basis. I also wouldn't be surprised that this was not a calculated move to open doors for a spin off or to get out of contract with A&E to make more money on another network. My money is on the show going away and Willie spin off coming down the pipe.

Not this fall but I called a herd in while varmint hunting last year. Been trying to find them again since with no luck.

The 284 winchester was truely ahead of its time. It is an outstanding cartridge.

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168 berger and H4831 or Retumbo have worked best for me.

The 6.5s penetrate really well to begin with and when you don't hit a bone on a deer that's only 12" wide at the shoulder there's not a lot there for the bullet to work on. I always aim for bone and the bergers have no problem penetrating then causing massive damage. Keep using them.

As long as you practice with the 180 partition it will be fine. When shooting long range wind is the key factor to worry about. If you practice and know your wind holds with the partition it will be fine. There are definitely bullets out there that do much better in the wind than the partition and provide a lot less wind drift. Personally I like the bergers and you will be hard pressed to find a bullet with a higher b.c. that will deliver more energy less drop and less wind and above all more terminal performance on game.