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+1 to everything 308nut says. It seems we agree on more and more these days. The banding alone on the bullets pictured is huge addition to drag.

All depends on the form factors. Since form factors are determined using boat tail length and angle, ogive length, meplat diameter, radius ratio of ogive and caliber, form factors should be equal for each bullet... until we throw in drag coefficients. Since the actual drag coefficients are very hard to determine we can only compare to the standard G7 projectile. I will assume the since the solid copper bullet has a longer bearing surface than the standard G7 projectile I will also assume that it has a higher drag coefficient and thus a higher form factor and lower BC value although probably not by much.

I don't own a 7mm Mag to try it in and have yet to see any superformance powder on a shelf anywhere locally so no I have not.

Why was velocity only measured with the 300 and drop with the 308? Why not both tests for each cartridge to compare results. Also how are you measuring bullet drop? Are you shooting a group and measuring to the center or only one shot? How accurate are these test rifles with the bullets in question? Are these rifles fired from a machine rest or is there a human element to be accounted for as well?

I recently purchased a ziess victory 1300 for $600 and it has been spectacular. Reflective or non reflective it will range 1300 yards. If you notice most range finders will claim 1300+ on reflective ranges and non reflective ranges will be about half that. This one will range anything you point it at and even further than 1300 yards. My farthest range on a rock has been 1643 yards. I was able to range deer this past year at 1260 with ease. I personally hate all the angle compensation crap and ballistics info in a range finder. Give me the range and let me do the rest. This one has some built in ballistic pre sets but gives you the ability to turn them off. The display is bright and very clear in any light. I have no complaints and it works great.

Well said lance I couldn't agree more. As far as sensitive goes I haven't found bergers to be all that hard to tune. I set mine 25 thou from the lands and do normal load work up.

I'm guessing BC numbers will be revised much lower once longer range testing is completed. For the BC to be that high with a bullet of that weight the form factor will have to be in the 0.77 range. Meaning that these bullets are roughly 23% more aerodynamic than the G7 standard projectile. The best match bullets with the highest BCs have form factors somewhere around 0.97-.98 the math is not working out for me on this.

I prefer the 115 berger. By far the best BC bullet available in 25 cal and excellent terminal performance.

I prefer a shilen # 4 or # 5 Contour 26" . They seem to give a great balance of weight and accuracy.

Another vote for the leupold vxII or Redfield. You could always get on eBay and pick up an old Redfield accu trac that would fit with the old school very nicely.

I keep saying the trick for bergers to work every time is to hit bone, especially in these big magnum cartridges and heavy bullets. This is what I try to do and haven't had a failure or animal run off yet.

Going to be a shoulder mount.

Thanks for all the kind words and yeah he's a pretty buck for sure. He's going to look good on the wall too.

Shoot was blast despite the weather thanks for the idea and the help getting it organized.

Not enough difference for me to tell a difference but a lot of that has to do with stock design, fitment and of course the quality and type of recoil pad.

Bergers work best when tuned for your rifle. If that HSM stuff shoots good in your rifle though there is not a better bullet made.

If you want to shoot light weight bullets as in 55-70 grains get a 22-250. If you don't care about pelts then either the 243 or creedmoor will work great as a dual purpose hunter. The creedmoor gets my vote as a 140gr bullets work equally well on coyotes to elk. The creed covers more ground than the others listed and recoil is very light for the performance you get.

Why not head to your local Walmart and pick one up. They are going for $377 right now at my local store.

I have quite a few take offs what caliber are you looking for?

Very similar to the process that I use. I use a Lee shell holder and lock stud from their trimmers and use that in the drill just barely finger tight. I anneal for about 8 seconds as well with a propane torch then drop the cases in an old Six Million Dollar man steel lunch box with a damp rag in the bottom to cool the brass. I anneal every 3rd firing.

Any reloading manual has instructions and how to get started in them but the Sierra manual is top notch and provides a bit more than most.

.612 pretty good? How about freakin awesome for a 140gr bullet! Those are the best thing going for the 6.5s right now. The hybrids have a .618 but I haven't been able to talk myself in to switching for just 6 more points in BC and the VLDs shoot fantastic.

Ive seen lots of piggies in that area you should be fine.

Not really bashing just better options out there.

I've used a 6.5-284 running a 140 Amax at 2840fps to take a deer cleanly at 1243 yards. 2800 is definitely doable with a standard 260 and the effective range is really up to the shooters ability. The 6.5 is much more effective than most give it credit for. Keep in mind brass is easily formed from any 308 based varient. The Lapua brass is definitely worth the money but you can make winchester or Remington 243 brass work just fine.