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I understand, but I don't want to buy 500 bullets when I just want some to try out to see if they shoot.

$14 bucks for usps shipping! No thanks. Midway will have them soon enough.

TTT.

SOLD!!!

In my experience cats are soft and they end up with a lot more damage than a coyote does with the same bullet. If targeting cats specifically then a 17 fireball or something similar may be the ticket. That being said I use a 52gr Berger in my .223 and haven't had an exit yet with the few coyotes I have shot with it.

Outstanding Scott! Congrats to everyone on some great deer.

All it takes is a little practice and knowing your equipment and abilities. heck, my wife just whacked her deer last weekend at 824 with a 25-06 and she made it look easy. Now before you say that wasn't ethical she hit him square in the shoulders and he piled up within a few steps. A whole lot quicker and cleanly than if stuck with a sharp stick from a string at 40 yards. I had her shooting from field positions all year long just so she could make this shot if it presented itself and it worked out perfectly. Don't knock someones skills and abilities or hunting style simply because you can't or won't. For the record, I was speaking ballistically, meaning the 6.5 Creedmoor is is capable to that range.

I just finished putting together a Savage for the wife. Using a model 11 action 22" stainless 6.5 Creedmoor barrel set in a lady hunter walnut stock. Weaver bases, Burris Signature Zee rings and a Leupold VX-II 6-18x40. Rifle, sling and a full magazine tips the scales at 7.5 lbs. Sweet little rig with the ability to push 140 Bergers at or near 2800 fps will allow it to take deer out to 800 yards easily.

Way to go JR!

Perfect just the way it is, in an excellent cartridge. Remington don't make them like this anymore.

TTT. I am really surprised this is still here.

Outstanding Barrels for the money.

I'm no pro staffer by any means, but I have been using Bergers since before they started making different jackets for their Match and Hunting applications and have had nothing but outstanding results with them. It's true some rifles just don't seem to like them and that is unfortunate because by using a different bullet I feel you are leaving a lot on the table in the way of retained energy and wind drift. In todays world this is not as big of a deal as there are finally other bullets of similar performance to choose from. As far as the Hornady bullets go I will say they have really stepped up their game as far as uniformity and consistency goes. There was a time about 10 years ago I could find as much as 2 grains difference in weights among bullets in the same box and most weighing within one grain of what was actually written on the box. I found them to be way too inconsistent to my liking and why to this day I will only use an interlock or SST for break-in only.

They also don't have premium tolerances,premium bc or shoot nearly as good. Bottom line is no one bullet is fail proof and when you hunt and shoot things long enough especially at long range there are bound to be results you are not pleased with. Just to many variables to account for.

It could be yes. Dang sure wouldn't hurt.

May need to start inspecting the tips on those 185s to ensure they are not pinched or blocked. There have been some reports of closed tips on some lots.

Given the fact that a couple of the shots were less than ideal shot placement I find it hard to place all the blame on the bullet. Adrenaline can make animals soak up a lot. Since the elk was recovered I would chalk this experience up as a success.

Still would like to know the shot placement. Was bone hit?

Sucks you had a bad experience with the Bergers. These stories are much less frequent than the positives from these bullets, if they shoot better than anything else I would still be hesitant to change. How many times did you hit the elk? what was the shot placement? To be fair 610 yards is pushing the ragged edge of performance from a 185 in a .30-06 for reliable expansion according to the velocity thresholds. Hard to say a different bullet designed to penetrate and poke holes through the animal like an accubond would have yielded any different results.

Forget the program and just write down what you need to actually dial to in order to hit your target as centered as possible. Next step is to practice and verify those numbers in varying conditions tape your chart to your rifle or scope or keep in your wallet or whatever you need to and shoot with the confidence of known actual data. Much better and much quicker than messing with an app while behind the rifle looking at a buck on the other side of the canyon. A little more info for you: Litz Tested BC Measurements. The G7 bc of the 165 Sierra Game King = .213 The G1 Average = .416 These numbers should help a little but you are also going to need correct altitude, temp and pressure inputs as well as a correct scope height for any ballistics program to even be close.

Sunday Bump.

Shoot it at longer ranges, if it holds half moa I wouldn't worry about what the chrony says.

I was told this same thing when I first contacted Vortex about the first scope of theirs that I had go bad. The first time around I did have the rings torqued to 25 inch pounds in Burris signature zee rings. I figured ok, too much torque, the next few that I purchased I made sure and torqued to Vortex specs and they still failed me within six months with unreliable tracking. I don't trust them and never will again especially when I can buy a Leupold VX3 for under $900 and have a much better and reliable quality optic. As far as I am concerned Vortex makes really nice paper weights.

Yes, the rifle is being sold as is, scope & rings included.

Does this have the moa turrets?