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I find the irony that the working class has the most questions with this initiative and ironically they have to work so they will not have time to ask the questions you keep evolving the answers on. (this feels like the Greek battle of Marathon)My home is three hours from the valley, I will spend 10 hours at work and the three hours traveling, I will not be at my freshest intellectually or aesthetically and I will very likely be walking into a good ole boy gentlemen club hostile environment. COUNT ME IN! I want honest non spin-able answers. If you have a question that you would like asked, IM me and I will do my best to present it. Where and when?

Same group of elk. two had dropped one hadnt. maybe the antler I found on the road.

Nephews picked up these behind his house

Exactly, the kings get rich and the commoners get the minimum. I think we need to start calling it the fuedal system of game management Speaking very selfishly, I only have three animals left for my big ten solo with a bow. Hopefully, I can get those final two hard to draw tags before this passes and transfer my obsession to a different outlet. So much for hunter retention. Had g&f made any mention of needing money for education. I get their emails quite frequently and have not seen a request?

Ok, changing the topic slightly, taking tags is the only option to raise money? Also g&f not very long ago mentioned they had a monetary surplus and even considered briefly lowering the cost of tags. Now they need to create these elitist tags for the general fund? Tell me what I am missing.

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http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2016/200/867/2016-200867381-0dc5bd6a-9.pdf from their IRS 990 form. Give me a minute and I will put it on that spreadsheet from earlier

I may be wrong on this, so somebody please fact check me. If it is run like the governors tags. They will be given to an organization that represents that species, (that's where 100% comes from) of which its business as normal for that nonprofit. Taking xx amount for administration fees and the rest going to said project. . Once again not 100% on this and I will have to do more research once available. If you look at the donations for AZFWC most of the money is given to the boards pet projects.

Yep totally understand. Very likely their will be a percentage given to auctioneers (COPD or AZFWC) for a fee like in utah. lets say 30% like utah. Do you think their will not be a financial gain for the presenters? If you want I can update that spreadsheet I created a little earlier to show where where the 'charitiable monies' went for Azfwc

Obviously I am not privy to the close door meetings. But if walks like a duck and talks like a duck then ..... AZFWC was founded by Pete C. at the direction of Don Peay the founder of Utah SFW. (If I saying something incorrectly please let me know)They have a noted connection (google the names together). Coop for whatever they are calling themselves and AZFWC have essentially the same players. Now, honestly, do you think there is not a connection between the three?

little too late to do the right thing now isnt it? Our department should have made education a priority with the millions they receive in funding. Their education budget may have been low but who's fault is that? Theirs. They have all the power to put whatever money they please towards educating people. But they relaxed and didnt think they needed to. Well guess what? Now they know they needed to. And to fix it quick they offer up our tags as sacrifice. I'd bet if every employee at game and fish took a $1000 pay cut and wardens didnt get new trucks every year they'd have all the money they'd ever want for education. But that will never happen. Instead let's use publics tags to make up for us being stupid and lazy. G&F has a surplus of money. Thats how you can explain the billboards around the valley with owls on it or a four year old with a sun fish.

you would agree that this group and AZFWC have a great many of the same participants. Don Peay according to some help create AZFWC. They may not be the same but they have the same parents. http://www.coueswhitetail.com/forums/topic/30760-hb2072-letter-from-azsfw/

Information taken from http://azsfwc.org/about/ and the email Jay Scott printed in regards to Conserve protect arizona. I added the arrows. Forgot to credit column on the right is the AZFWC board of Directors.

Let's play the game, Google this "Utah Sportsman for fish and wildlife" https://www.gohunt.com/read/news/utah-division-of-wildlife-under-fire-for-possible-corruption#gs.cqSUHD8

What year did they start they tag program?

What is the name of the Utah version Azsfwc? I want to do some before and after comparisons?

you can go to guidestar.org and download their Non profit 990 forms. I just did.... Here's the info from 2016 990 Total revenue $169,818 Totals Grants $145,430 Management costs $5,154 Advertising expense $11,435 Get your facts right, facts don't have feelings What I saw on their 990 was net assets of 235816 and project expeditures as 90500. Dividing the little number into the big number I came up with total. Let me know if I am wrong. It wont be the first time.

you can go to guidestar.org and download their Non profit 990 forms. Side note. I am not a member of any Hunting organization other than SCI. That does not mean I do not do things that help promote hunting in AZ. Last year alone I took three people hunting that have never hunted. I took a couple of wounded warriors antelope archery antelope hunting and I will always go into the most liberal non hunting place and tell them the benefits of hunting to wildlife and free range meat.

After some quick research AZSFWC or whatever their acronym is. Approximately 72% of money collected in 2016 went to Admin fees. (guidestar.org)

Allocating tags for money is a tax. I pay my share in taxes but I would prefer not to pay excessive taxes. Now who is the democrat?Nobody is mandating that you pay. If they allow the taking of state resource, which I am native resident of, than I am paying that tax. So are you. No you don't have to participate in the raffle or draw however you do get the benefit of the "tax" that others voluntarily pay. I wouldn't benefit. I do not need an organization of questionable interest taking tags from one of my friends or neighbors to educate people that hunting is good. I can on my own, without auction money, tell non hunters that hunting is great.

AZGFD is not running at deficient. By all means feel free to give them any money you want, though.

Allocating tags for money is a tax. I pay my share in taxes but I would prefer not to pay excessive taxes. Now who is the democrat? Nobody is mandating that you pay. If they allow the taking of state resource, which I am native resident of, than I am paying that tax. So are you.

And give it to highest bidder?

Allocating tags for money is a tax. I pay my share in taxes but I would prefer not to pay excessive taxes. Now who is the democrat?

So if I am understanding this idea and it gets turned into law it will create a sort of Socioeconomic level to hunting. Where the richest 1 or 2 percent get the best tags and us poor commoners will get to hunt jack rabbits, javelina and they occasional cow elk. If we follow the money line farther the guides that take these new annual tag holders will benefit. The administrators will pad there pockets with high admin fees for these new tags and the only ones that will not, are hunters that have waited there entire lives for a tag that is farther out of reach. Its not the message that have people up in arms, its the messengers. They have an obvious vested interest in taking from the citizens of Arizona and cashing in into what apparently is a Scottsdale address after looking at their board of directors. I have known mafia members and drug runners with more integrity than some of these non profits. Cap the admin fees at say 5% and watch this initiative die.