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those guys were for the 2012 initiative. They really love special interest tags, that's where they make their money. They do shoot great animals with the great tags.

I had a pistol stolen from my truck over the weekend and with dismemberment of Backpage.com I was wondering what pages still sold guns? I would like to find the person that had the courage to steal something and shake their hand.

My full expectation for Monday's meeting was to get shot down and destroyed by the commission and in turn I would have used their responses to turn the 'mob' into a rebellion. With one very notable exception they would at least consider the ideas proposed. Either way, I eagerly look forward to the May 4th meeting. And Either way I will be prepared for their next move.

what has changed, as far as your perspective? I thought there was some solid ideas put on the table. Speaking for me personally, my perspective of the board has changed. I first thought they were all unified on the tag grab. Now I feel the majority are looking for legitimate ways to go forward. the lack of new blood is apparent because they have a tendency to fixate and focus on the hsus issue when the topic has changed to recruitment and retention.

I think we gave them something to think about, but judging by Petes conversation that I overheard in the parking lot, its not over.

this like trying to get caught up mid season of walking dead or lost or name your favorite soap opera. Basics from what I understand. There are two sides to CAPAZ, one is the educational side that wants the tags or some sort of funding to educate the 70% of Arizonans that do not have an opinion on hunting. Their suggestion was permits because, unless somebody comes up with another idea, that is the easiest way to create money for education. The other side is the 501C side that wants to take on the political fight with the HSUS. (guys that want to stop hunting) Because the two are closely (essentially the same people) related but separate there are concerns that the 501c side (private donors that can stay in the shadows) will be funded by the rich guys that want to hunt every year with the tags generated from the education side. Personally I would like to see a death match of the hunting extremist and the HSUS extremist and a meteor falls from the sky and squashes them all.

and was being against the mountain lion ban also just simply "good enough" for you, or did you demand better than good enough and actually do something? you are crossing the two issues. The fight with HSUS is with the 501C side of CAPAZ, the tag grab is on the education side of CAPAZ. The cylindrical argument is your own creation. Please don't mix the two to suit your needs.

It's not hate for the guys that can afford the tags. I have yet to work for a poor person. It's the people around them that want some of what they have that are usually the issue. Ooooohh so now if you know a rich person that hunts you're a problem. Got it. No you don't. If you are trying to get your cut and change the game from said rich person, and for said rich person hunting, than you are the problem. AZKILLER are you the problem?

It's not hate for the guys that can afford the tags. I have yet to work for a poor person. It's the people around them that want some of what they have that are usually the issue.

What the question is too hard for you? you said ". I'm here to strategize with those interested in finding funding solutions for the proposed Game and Fish outreach plan. And like I've stated several times, but apparently it's in invisible ink,." but yet you have no clue what your strategizing and or for whom? you sound pretty wishy washy since you started posting. as far as me and conservation BLOW ME you have no clue oh, I have more than a clue. You're just angry that someone is doing something you didn't think of. You aren't going to support anything that isn't your idea. Well guess what, lots of sportsmen want this education plan in place, and they even want raffle tags. Maybe not auction tags, and I'm cool with that. For your offer in your last sentence, get Ringer to do it, hes used to it. RED, Just out of curiosity how many big game animals have you taken in the state of Arizona? Fred

Please don't represent the hunting public of Arizona. Your not a good example and not very persuasive.whenever you want to step up and fill in, be my guest. You've done such a good job of doing absolutely nothing thus far. My doing nothing was probably better for the cause than your antics.

Please don't represent the hunting public of Arizona. Your not a good example and not very persuasive.

Bruce, this still helps because I can do the math from licenses sold in 2013 to licenses sold in 2018 and get an estimate. Fred

Does anybody what the license fees were for 2012/2013?

Thanks

if only your opinion mattered. We can all agree the HSUS sucks, the question is funding and how to get it. Elites and those that cater to the elites want tags. Normal hunters want something else. The extremist on both sides should not be the focus, it should be the 70% that are not. Judging by your posts I am not sure I would want you leading a fight against anyone or anything.

again, i think I'll do as I please. Let me know how long you want to continue the pissing contest before we get back to more relevant conversation. A newbie with 29 posts such as this in a day. Such a way to win friends and influence people! I think you have a lot of insecurities if you are judging yourself off of post counts in a forum. And you are deluding yourself if you think they give you any clout. I think you might be just a tad bit upset that another rooster came into your henhouse and interrupted your bash fest of a good group of people.I think you are in love with your own voice and frankly either just trolling or have very little concern with the issues.i think you are inventing a problem that doesn't exist so you can be a hero on a non issue. yep trolling. Troll

again, i think I'll do as I please. Let me know how long you want to continue the pissing contest before we get back to more relevant conversation. A newbie with 29 posts such as this in a day. Such a way to win friends and influence people! I think you have a lot of insecurities if you are judging yourself off of post counts in a forum. And you are deluding yourself if you think they give you any clout. I think you might be just a tad bit upset that another rooster came into your henhouse and interrupted your bash fest of a good group of people. I think you are in love with your own voice and frankly either just trolling or have very little concern with the issues.

Dave, in about twenty minutes. I have a last minute thing to do for one of my customers. Fred

Thank you

That does and thanks. With the help of couple of CWTers I plan on sending you a viable option that you can take to the board to fund the educational side of this endeavor by the end of the weekend.

who are the actual tag grabbers? I do I am asking you questions that you are evading and deflecting. Personally, I do not need a group or credit like many of the people on here to turn non-hunters to people that support hunting. I have turned many cat loving liberals into people that favor hunting. Now I am asking you again, In your opinion is the political arm funded by special interest that want to purchase these permits from the educational side of CAPAZ?

I am addressing it with you as the resident CAPAZ expert. Now in your opinion is my assumption correct or incorrect?Im relaying the same information available to all of us. Decide on your own if your asdumptions are correct. Do you make a habit of letting others think for you in addition to fighting your battles? I make the habit of listening to all sides, before coming to a conclusion. Where is this information available? If we were fighting a battle right now, I think your losing.

I am addressing it with you as the resident CAPAZ expert. Now in your opinion is my assumption correct or incorrect?

I understand the disconnect between the two arms of CAPAZ. I understand the tags will support education to the 70% of the AZ residents that have no opinion on hunting. What I am asking you in the simplest terms how is the political arm funded? IF you ask me to draw a conclusion from your somewhat evasive answers, I would say the political arm is funded by the elite hunters that money is secondary and hunting areas that right now money can not buy every year would be their interest. Please enlighten me and let me know how this conclusion is wrong. Their political funding is their business. You can draw your own conclusions. You can also hire your own lawyers and consultants and form your own 501c (4) and tell your donors you are going to make their contributions public. Let me know how many big businesses you get to donate. Your right and then I can get some wealthy backers and get them tags every year. Like CAPAZ, right? Do I have to promise them the tags upfront or are they willing to wait for the process to work out?