bowsniper

Good point and I agree. But, with AZ G&F you are presumed guilty until proven innocent.

Seems pretty obvious to me: https://www.azgfd.co...icle-3-NPRM.pdf Page 34 A person shall not use any trail camera, or images from a trail camera, for the purpose of taking or aiding in the take of wildlife within one-fourth mile (440 yards) of the outer perimeter of a developed water source. THE LINK ON THE G&F WEB SITE NO LONGER WORKS! INTERESTING.......................

There is a logical reason for this new rule: Game cameras at water holes spread chronic wasting disease!

You can write to the commission members today. Go to AZGFD.com and click on commission. But if you go off on a tangent like panties and crapping in the woods I am sure they will ignore you. But, after all of that yammering you guys are just internet blowhards and just want to see your post count get larger. It would probably be better if you didnt speak to the commission. It doesn't matter how professionally you conduct yourself, you will be ignored if your opinion does not agree with their agenda.

You really missed the boat. My point was not corn, my point was that public input to game and fish is a pathetic fallacy.

IT IS ALREADY OVER. Good luck voicing your opinion to the commission. Five years ago about 20 of us went to commission meeting about the corn ban. (Agree or disagree, by law, the commissioners are suppose to accept public input). After 3 hours of the commission letting others speak 10 and 15 minutes, (Sandra Bahr of the Sierra Club got 20 minutes), the Commissioners let us speak about our issue, and stipulated these special rules for us: No longer than three minutes or the microphone would be turned off; and "don't repeat any information or point that was already voiced by someone else". We started taking our turns at speaking, and then the commissioners started eating their lunch, texting, or chatting among themselves in low voices. One commissioner just got up and left. We were wasting our time speaking to the walls. I was shocked at the arrogance and disrespect to the hunters voicing their opinion. They could had at least made eye contact with the speakers. If you think that I am making this stuff up, I'm sure that there are a few guys still on the forum that can verify.

Lower success rates = more tags to sell = more revenue Per the hunt guidelines, if hunt success rates go down, then tag numbers also go down. When success is high, they raise the tag numbers because it is an indication of abundance. Empirically that may be true when you don't change the hunting conditions (rules), and you compare apples to apples. But now, when you change the rules you can't make a valid comparison. I think most guys would agree that their cameras help improve success. Now, when you eliminate cameras, less success would lead to an increase in population, which would require more harvests to keep the population in balance. To increase the harvest without using cameras any more, would require an increase in tags, which produces more revenue. They have done it before: a few years back, G&F reduced the bull rut archery tags, but then increased the November archery bull tags, 3 more tags for each rut tag that was eliminated. The November success rate is much lower, so they increased the tags AND the revenue.

Lower success rates = more tags to sell = more revenue

Five years ago when they banned corn, lots of people on this website had the same apathetic attitude.

It's not about cameras, it's about control and revenue. Mr. "Old School", I can't wait to hear you whining when G&F passes the next rule banning some "old school" stuff.

They can and will do what ever they want.

Clearly, trail cameras can spread chronic wasting disease!

I have never been down there, so I was thinking about going to look for ducks. Anybody know if has any water? Thanks, Mark

Well if Big Browns is known for giving accurate information, I apologize. I found that Picacho was wide open, no closed roads, not even any signs. Mark

Thanks Carpcody, I went over to Picacho yesterday. Like you said, it is open and has water. Big Browns, you are an A$$HOLE. Mark

OK then. It's been a rough year to get my boys on ducks.

You must have a sweet spot out there! I hunt birds out there a lot, and I rarely see a deer turd. Good Luck!

My Cabelas card got hit today. I called cabelas and just asked the lady for a few of my latest charges, and then she said, "Congrats, you drew a tag!" She had been taking several calls from AZ hunters. Anyway, my wife drew an early (rut) unit 9 archery bull tag. She has never bow hunted so she is going to sign over her tag to our 16 year old son. In February she signed over her buffalo tag to our son. Awesome mother (and wife !) Mark

Last Fall I put in for Raymond Ranch Buffalo for my wife and two boys. I put each in on separate applications. Amazingly, my wife and older son each drew a yearling tag for the same hunt. My wife then transferred her tag to my younger son. We went up this last Saturday for the "hunt". Not the most challenging "hunt", but my boys were really pumped that they got to take buffalo together. We did score 500 lbs of tasty meat. Thanks to Hoghntr for helping us skin and process the meat! He will soon have a freezer full of Buffalo.

.308, 168 gr Sierra GameKing. The boys really wanted to use their bows, but not allowed on RR.

A few weeks ago I was in unit 9 hunting archery bull. I finally killed a 310 6x6, but these pictures below are much more interesting than my bull. As I was going to sit a tank one afternoon, a women with pink hair in an older F250 was driving out as I was driving in. There were no markings on the truck, and there were a few guys in the cab with her. I hiked up to the tank where I had planned to sit, but found that the F250 had dropped off a hunter who set up another blind near mine. No big deal. I hiked over to another nearby water hole and sat that hole. When it got dark, I went back to change my mem sticks on my TWO cameras on the first water hole. It had been dark about 30 minutes, so I was surprised to find the other hunter in the new blind still there. He was waiting for his "guide" to come get him. Driving out, I saw the pink haired women driving in to get the client. That evening checking my pics, I found that one camera had zero pictures. Nothing. But I had two cameras on the water hole. The other camera (well hidden) had pictures the pink haired sleeze and her friends screwing with my camera. They start messing with the camera at 3:30, then disappear. They come back to the camera at 3:54. Obviously, she took my memory stick back to her truck, erased it, and then put it back. Not only that, but she did not even have a camera at the tank. She dropped off her paying client at a tank without even knowing if any elk were hitting the tank. (BTW, cows had pushed the elk away from the water hole a few days earlier.) There could not have been too many women with pink hair guiding for bull in unit nine a few weeks ago. Someone must know who she is. Help me identify her and the worthless lazy outfitter she works for. Mark

White F250, extened cab, 2000's

White

The guy in the blind was clueless how to get back to the road. He was waiting for someone to come in and get him. So i figure that he was a client. Mark

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