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Its not true. I know people in the portals that hunt in the portals, people in chapparal pines poach their own elk. They are building a fence around chapparal pines right now to keep the elk out because they are such a problem. Last week there was a fresh dead elk between star valley and payson, like there is every week. A while back i came upon a dead guy on 260 that hit an elk on his harley by chap pines. I dont think people will object to urban hunting like you think they will. Like i mentioned before, the whole eastern half of the US accepts this as a way of life, and its actually accepted here now. You are afraid of paper dragons. You will surrender without a fight. Might as well move to france. Bet they dont hunt too much over there. Not only is urban hunting convenient, its necessary. I dont understand you, urban hunting is common nearly everywhere, but you guys want to set a precedent by making it illegal. Fascinating. And from people who call themselves hunters, no less.

Yes because that's exactly what I said. I know it all because I agree with not shooting animals within a quarter mile of a house. Remember back in the day when we used to be able to trap with footholds? Anyone know why that ended? Because some idiot decided to trap right next to houses and caught someone's pet. It took 1 instance to get trapping banned. We have all seen the uproar when animals die in peoples back yards or when non hunters see dead animals like that. We don't have a problem with it but there are a lot of people that do. Believe me if I knew there would be no issues arising from people shooting animals in backyards I wouldn't agree with a law like this. The way I see it is if the few guys that enjoy hunting in neighborhoods or behind houses refuse to give up 1/4 mile to avoid conflicts with non hunters then they don't care about hunting being banned for good in the future. I honestly find it hard to believe you can't find a place to hunt that's not within 1/4 mile of a house. Yes I agree it might be more convenient but it would also be more convenient to hunt in Grand canyon national park. But we all know we can't do that. Why do you think that is? To avoid conflict and for safety. If holding onto your 1/4 mile rather than going 1/2 a mile is worth ruining it for everyone then have at it. Sometimes you have to give up a little for the greater good of hunting. 1/4 mile is such a small amount to make a big fuss over it blows my mind. But apparently there are more guys than I thought that enjoy hunting near town. Maybe all the deer are so skittish near town because so many guys are hunting them. And maybe that's why they are making this law? maybe we lost trapping because we didn't stick together and fight for it. we let it go, because we didn't trap. we gave it up for the greater good. just like we will give up lion hunting, trail cameras, hounds, and urban bowhunting. btw, the last urban buck i shot, as i was packing it out, a homeowner stepped over the fence to shake my hand on taking a nice buck. his neighbor lets people hunt in his yard, and i know him personally, he just wasn't home that day. generally, people don't object to urban hunting. while i respect you, your methods of hunting, and your opinions, i really feel like we need to stick together on these issues. HSUS is knocking out privileges by the minute, don't think they'll stop at a quarter mile.

Except for its not their pet. It's a wild animal that they're probably not supposed to be feeding to begin with. While I can sympathize with a non hunter growing an appreciation for an animal they see every day and grow a bond with they should realize its a game animal and have realistic expectations of what could potentially happen to that animal.Not that I disagree with you completely but in their eyes it's just the opposite. They don't care that you think you should be able to kill the animal. They think it's their community elk and they will name him and expect that Noone should be able to kill them. While I'm on your side you have to see their side as non hunters. I'm not sure who hunts a quarter mile from houses anyway but I'd imagine you could find some animals a little further away from a house. I personally wouldn't mind if the law passes either way. First because I think people that claim to be hunters should get out and hunt rather than hunt off the back porch. Second it would avoid some of these stories of people seeing their community animal in their backyard die and then start a petition to end all hunting because they now hate people that hunt.I couldn't disagree with you more, for all of the reasons i mentioned above. Your response is emotional, and not scientific, nor does it take up for sportsmen in general. There are many states where you would have a hard time finding a place to hunt that is 1/4 mile from a house, so this sets a dangerous precedent. Whats more, there are 2 conditions in AZ that provide good hunting. 1) deep in the woods, a long journey down a rough road or in the wilderness areas, and 2) behind houses, where thr rifle hunters haven't shot everything to pieces. Please consider us blue collar guys who have limited time and resources to take off work, and have a hard time leaving the wife saddled with the kids for weeks on end while out fulfilling our hunting desires. If a law such as this passes, i personally will have extremely limited opportunities to fill a tag. Which is especially difficult when i can glass critters from my front porch. Please think of sportsmens rights in general, and not be critical over someone elses "easy" hunt. Im not thinking emotionally at all. I'm simply giving you the facts that just because you feel one way doesn't mean the people that feed them have to just give into how you think. We aren't talking about other states we are talking about AZ that has more public land hunting than almost anywhere in the US. I'm a blue collar guy myself that puts in for hunts that are 1 hour- 8 hours away from my house and I've done just fine being able to hunt my whole life. I've never done a week long wilderness hunt but I have had to drive a couple hours to hunt for a day. That's just the way it is. You don't have to leave for days on end to have a successful hunt. There isn't a place in az that you can't drive one hour and be 1/4 mile from a house. I don't know your situation but if you literally can't get 1/4 mile from a house in az to hunt something you're not trying. While I agree it's easier to shoot the deer that gets fed by people every day I'm not sure how you get satisfaction from a hunt like that. You obviously don't enjoy trying to hunt a animals away from homes because it's too far and hard for you to get in your truck and drive a little ways. I'm simply saying that just because you claim it's ok to hunt within a quarter mile of a house because they are game animals and the people feeding them just have to deal with that is stupid. Putting a quarter mile barrier from houses to avoid people killing people's "pet deer" is perfectly fine in my eyes. Obviously it's not their deer but if we can avoid killing Bambi in their back yard I'm all for it. Instances where non hunters or people that don't really care either way see a deer dying with an arrow stuck in it isn't gonna help us hunters in any way. Just because you feel they should deal with it doesn't make you right. This isnt a law to hinder hunters or to single out specific types of hunters. It's a law to avoid confrontation with non hunters so they don't have ammo against us to end hunting in general. If you can't deal with that and not hunt in peoples back yards I would call that selfish and attitudes like that is what is going to cause hunters problems in the future. once again, i couldn't disagree more. this is a law that would single out types of hunters, youths, beginners, and weekend warriors for starters; and the after work archery crowd as well. I would say, most of the hunters that i know hunt with 1/4 of houses. Most! That said, i'll call you out. I don't hunt "pet" deer. It's wild, bro. I'll pay you $100 cash if you can kill at least a 3 pt. whitetail behind my house this august/september. I'll show you the spot, the spring, the tree, everything. A major guide killed a 134" in there recently. If you think you're gonna waltz in there and kill a pet deer, you are sadly mistaken. You won't kill a deer, because you're not good enough. Urban deer are super pressured, and extremely hard to kill. You don't have it. You have a false notion about hunting urban deer. But if you can, i'll pay you $100. But you have to kill it within 1/4 mile of the subdivision, or it doesn't count. Dudes who kill stud whitetail bucks every year are stud hunters, period. You can say "pet deer" till you're blue in the face, but mature, urban deer are the hardest of all. They have you patterned. What's more, I get satisfaction out of putting meat on the table, I don't care about your judgment of where i hunt. What's more, I led some hunters into the local wilderness area, and we killed a nice 6x6 this fall. I drew, but didn't have a good shot angle, so i passed on the one shot i had. It was a 2 day pack out on foot for that bull. I can go in deep, and still hunt and kill. This was thanksgiving weekend, so it was easier to skip work. I'm a hunter's hunter. What's more, you need to support sportsmen. You might say, well, i don't hunt there, so it doesn't effect me. Well, one day it will effect you. One day they will close the national forrest to hunting altogether, and you'll know how it feels. Don't lay down on this one, because you think you're better. What's more, we need urban hunts, it's simply good management and good biology, it's not emotional, it's numbers. What's more, we need to be responsible, but hunt with a voice, and if that means that a hiker sees a dead deer, or a homeowner, than so be it. About 20 years ago, major sporting networks stopped showing shot impacts on TV, so the general public wouldn't be offended, and would take a more sympathetic view of hunting. It was foolishness. I'm not gonna pretend like when i hunt i don't get bloody. The general public could use some blood, sweat, and tears. I'm not gonna cater to their softness. Instead, I will lead on the opposite direction.

what's more, i could give you addresses of places where people feed animals, and keep entire hearts of animals on their property for the duration of hunting seasons.

there's a general lack of unity in the hunting community, and it aids to the erosion of our privileges as sportsmen. Long range? why, that's unsporting and results in crippling animals. lets pass a law against that. trail cameras? that's cheating, we should pass a law against that. tree stands? that littering in the forrest, we should pass a law against that. baiting? that's too easy, we should pass a law against that. you drove a 4-wheeler? that made too much noise, we should pass a law against that, or at least close the road. hounds? that's cruel, we should pass a law against that. hunt lions? that's unnecessary, we should pass a law against that. archery hunt near a house? that might create conflict, let's pass a law against that. you see where it goes? just because you have time to take off for a week and hunt the wilderness, and i applaud that, doesn't mean everyone can. I may be able to duck out of work at 3, and that's the best i can do for now. please don't take my opportunity.

Except for its not their pet. It's a wild animal that they're probably not supposed to be feeding to begin with. While I can sympathize with a non hunter growing an appreciation for an animal they see every day and grow a bond with they should realize its a game animal and have realistic expectations of what could potentially happen to that animal.Not that I disagree with you completely but in their eyes it's just the opposite. They don't care that you think you should be able to kill the animal. They think it's their community elk and they will name him and expect that Noone should be able to kill them. While I'm on your side you have to see their side as non hunters. I'm not sure who hunts a quarter mile from houses anyway but I'd imagine you could find some animals a little further away from a house. I personally wouldn't mind if the law passes either way. First because I think people that claim to be hunters should get out and hunt rather than hunt off the back porch. Second it would avoid some of these stories of people seeing their community animal in their backyard die and then start a petition to end all hunting because they now hate people that hunt. I couldn't disagree with you more, for all of the reasons i mentioned above. Your response is emotional, and not scientific, nor does it take up for sportsmen in general. There are many states where you would have a hard time finding a place to hunt that is 1/4 mile from a house, so this sets a dangerous precedent. Whats more, there are 2 conditions in AZ that provide good hunting. 1) deep in the woods, a long journey down a rough road or in the wilderness areas, and 2) behind houses, where thr rifle hunters haven't shot everything to pieces. Please consider us blue collar guys who have limited time and resources to take off work, and have a hard time leaving the wife saddled with the kids for weeks on end while out fulfilling our hunting desires. If a law such as this passes, i personally will have extremely limited opportunities to fill a tag. Which is especially difficult when i can glass critters from my front porch. Please think of sportsmens rights in general, and not be critical over someone elses "easy" hunt.

Almost makes me wish i was fat. Good deal.

kevin says "thanks!"

I wonder what state the bear thief photo was from? It doesn't look like coues country, but still hilarious.

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i put in for a late archery tag most years. while i don't kill very often, (it's hard to do that time of year), i did see 11 bulls last year on my hunt. i just couldn't quite connect the dots.

here's the other side.

I dont know, maybe you can help me?

cool pics. funny about the rut, roger from church said he saw a buck chasing a couple of does out by his house yesterday. (muley). i think there's a strong secondary rut on some years.

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you have the smoothest shooting bow, the 'ol switchback. you don't need an excuse to buy a new bow, just go buy one and get it over with.

hunt your deer hunting spots and anyplace with rabbits.

i took my cousin's son out on his december whitetail tag, unit 22, a couple of times, but we struck out. his dad took him as well, and they just saw some does. but @pwrguy saved the day by helping him fill his tag. this is his first deer.

cool. but it's not the end of bow season, or even the beginning of the end, but perhaps, the end of the beginning.

I think today's bow makers get a kick back from shoulder surgeons. Actually they are just so into speed they have removed valleys. I love sitting at a archery range watching how many people about get shoulder dislocated from bow trying to shoot on its own due to zero valley OH BUT THEY FAST!!! L.O.L. Tell your friends dad he can pm me if he needs to find a bow still user friendly. i agree. i got a pse premonition hd last year, and man, is it fast. but i'm only good for about a dozen shots before it's time to put it up. it's almost like i need 2 bows, one to practice with, and one to hunt with.

Props to the guys that helped with the packout. I was a little overstaffed but thankful none the less. One of these kids got a nice buck this year on a December tag, ill post about that soon.

great character on those antlers! i had incredible success with the shwackers also this year. tell us about the rest of your archery set up?

Fantastic. Ive been thinking about going this route. Ive been inspired by clay hayes on YouTube. I bought an old ben Pearson on eBay to get started with.

that's cool. this gun also has a braised tang rear peep. it must have been the thing back then. i'd really love to take a nice mule deer with this gun, it would just be awesome. i got a couple of scabbards with it, one of them with the old family brand stamped on it.

you know, i think i just blew a radiator hose. right in the middle of winter, every time. i've seen a few, kind of cool, really.