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They quoted me 6 weeks on my 12s. I think Im 4 weeks in now.

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Heres the deal: A friend gave me a price point for a BTX and objective. I negotiated a killer deal.....and he cant come up with the funds. I can sell a NIB BTX, 95mm objective, and the 1.7X converter for $4700. This is a cash only FTF deal by this weekend. I am in Flagstaff but I will be in north Phx this Friday thru Sunday. The MSRP for all of this is $5,775 and the Outdoorsmans price is about $5,200: Thats before $400 plus in tax. This is over $1,000 savings from Outdoorsmans! I also negotiated a return pending sale on these items so Im firm on the price. Im just trying to help out fellow CWT members. I have this exact setup and it is simply amazing. It might not be as bright as the Kowas but its bright enough and it weighs less than half of the Kowas. Mike

TTT I'm really surprise that these are still here. I guess it's just not the right the time of the year and the price?

Scoutpylot You listed MSRP when we are starting to find these at MAP. Are you firm on your price or will you entertain offers?

The April Shooting Times has an article on the 6.5 PRC. In 3 guns factory 143g ELDXs averaged 3013fps. Full case capacity is listed as 68.8 gr of water to the case mouth or about the same as the 6.5 Remington Magnun. About a 6% increase over the 6.5-284. The 6.5 RM was just way ahead of its times, but it did have that belt thing going wrong for it that was in vogue at the time. The article says handloading data for the 6.5-06 can be used as a starting point. Loading data for a he 6.5 RM will work too. Im looking forward to getting modern powder load data for a NULA 6.5-06 I have coming in a couple of months.

You gotta admit the script is going to get him a lot of free bumps! BTW I love the BTX.

The lcd says 54.8 doesnt it?

The load data seems awfully optimistic. Lets say it 3 grains less than the 65 SAUM. I think hat would give it about 62 grains of capacity when loaded with a 143 gr bullet. The 6.5x284 is around 58 and the 264 win mag around 79. With the numbers they are throwing out the 6.5 PRC will nearly equal 264 WM velocities with 17 grains less capacity? That doesn't feel right to me. There is a general rule of thumb that you get velocity increases that is about 1/4 of the case volume increase. At an 8% volume increase for the 6.5 PRC that would mean about a 2% velocity increase over the 6.5x284...or around 3050fps (at equal psi that is). Lets give it 100fps and that will give us about an additional 75 yards of real world improvement. That's pushing 1200 yards while still having 1000 ftlbs of energy. I know differences like brand of case, COAL, chamber dimensions, barrel dimensions, etc. will affect an individual rifles velocity. But it all averages out in the end. I'm just feeling that there is some marketing hype going on here. I'm sure the cartridge will be hot-rodded and some will actually get those velocities and then some, but any cartridge can be hot-rodded. I suspect that the accuracy node is more based on the velocity of the bullet not the cartridge? The bottom line is we have a new short action 6.5 cartridge that will exceed 6.5x284 velocities. If I were doing a custom build and wanted a short action I would throw it in the mix with the 6.5 SAUM and 6.5 WSM. Having said all that I am a gun nut and am really excited when the industry introduces new things. It is a form of evolution where we all benefit. For example I now have tons of 28 Nosler load data with the newest powders that I can leverage for my 7mm STW.

On Honady's website the factory 6.5 PRC 143 gr ELDx is 2960 fps. Their 6.5x284 with a 143gr ELDx goes 2940 fps. So maybe my 30-50 fps was generous?

This seems like an extremely niche cartridge. It will only be 30-50 FPS faster than a 6.5x284 (or 6.5-06). There are years of load development for the 6.5-284 out there and Lapua brass. Maybe the 6.5PRC will be a better short action cartridge though?

http://www.rifleshootermag.com/gunsmithing/break-rifle-barrel/

About as narrow minded and moronic as your post about the spotters. I assume you have evidence that suggests your "method" of doing nothing is just as good, doesn't shorten barrel life, or decrease accuracy? Probably not, probably just more narrow minded thinking from someone who doesn't realize how little he actually knows. Ouch. That seems a little harsh? I'm starting to agree with Big or Bust: KISS. I can find many articles out there that say the best break in is to get bullets down the bore. I had a custom 6.5x55 I meticulously broke in because I didn't want to take a chance. It wouldn't shoot worth a crap....then after about round 200 it became one of my best shooting rifles (same loads, same bedding, same scope, etc). I seriously doubt that you can find an objective article that shows that a rigorous break-in helps. It would take 25-30 barrels of identical manufacture broke in both ways and each shot hundreds of rounds to statically show an objective comparison. I've never seem that done. I hope someone has and can point me to the article.

IMR 4451 splits IMR 4350 and H4350 in burn rate. So yes, it is almost a direct replacement for IMR 4350. https://www.hodgdon.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/burn-rate-color.pdf

We have had exceptional results with all the IMR Enduron powders weve tried (4451, 4955, 7977). Not only are they temperature stable they have their copper fouling eliminator technology. IMR 4451 is almost a direct replacement for H4350. The Hodgen rep at the Shot Show said he wished more people would switch from H4350 to IMR 4451 because of availability. Im trying to get my hands on 8133 (retumbo speed) for my STW.

twigsnapper is right. They won't replace either my 12's or my spotter. They are very specialized but they are simply amazing when you need them; like during that mid-morning when things slow down and you want to pick things apart at 1 - 2 plus miles. Friends laugh when I set up my 95 and my BTX on a dual mount....but it works for me.

Heat waves are heat waves. I dont think Swarovski is any worse then anything else. We compared the 65mm & 95mm module to the Swarovski 80HD with both the 25-50 and 20-60 eyepieces. We felt the resolution was better with the ATX. Maybe this is because of the eyepiece rather than the objective? I do know when you have the light to use 70X with the 95mm it is simply spectacular.

Just read in a post on a bullet failure that ...the bullet was going way to fast and went right through. He was describing bullet failure with a traditional cup and core bullet. This is something Ive read frequently in posts. Ive always believed that velocity is what initiates expansion and that a bullet wont fail to expand because of too much velocity. It might over expand, but it will expand (if its an expanding bullet of course). Is there any credible explanation too not expanding because of too much velocity?

I would suspect that it is because of the hide stretching on the off side from the bullet impact. The hide is very elastic and tough. That is the reason you often find bullets against the hide. There is video of the desert bighorn I shot of the hide stretching out a foot or more on the off side flank. We found the bullet against the hide. It actually knocked the hair off the hide where it stopped.

Th first example is where a bullet over expands or grenades because of too much velocity (on a very frangible bullet) and the next two examples are lack of expansion from low velocity. I dont think its possible that a bullet will fail to expand because of too much velocity.

Ive use one of these original VX-6s for several years. It is currently in the mail back to a leupold to have them install the two turn Z-Lock elevation dial and the Z-Lock windage dial. $90 for the elevation and another $40 for the windage. Also they will honor the cds certificate with the new dials. Ive had really good success and like the VX-6 scopes.

Ive use one of these original VX-6s for several years. It is currently in the mail back to a leupold to have them install the two turn Z-Lock elevation dial and the Z-Lock windage dial. $90 for the elevation and another $40 for the windage. Also they will honor the cds certificate with the new dials. Ive had really good success and like the VX-6 scopes.

The Leupold 1200 TBR works very well out to 900 yards or so. My Leica 1200 works to about 1200 yards but doesn't have inclination or a ballistic app. I got to compare 2 new Sig 2000's against a new Leica 2000b several times in the field recently. One of the Sig's would read farther than the Leica and the the Leica would read farther than the other Sig. The most consistent long distance I got from the Sig on trees was right at 2000 yds, the Leica 1950+yds and the other Sig 1850 yds or so (it struggled more that the other 2 to get this though...I'd sent it back). My conclusion: The Sig is simply amazing for the price and it is faster than the Leica. The Leica has far better glass, temperature and absolute barometric pressure. I like and bought the Leica.

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How much for just the eyepiece? If you separate of course.