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I can't find it online. Its on page 74 of their 2018 catalog. I've bought 2 Rifles Inc rifles on gunbroker. Rifles Inc is owned by Lex Webernic in Pleasanton Texas. Lex and Melvin Forbes of New Ultra Light Arms were two of the front runners in lightweights back in the early 80's. Lex uses lightened Remington 700 actions and Melvin makes his own light 700 clones. Melvins Rifles are Great too. My 300 Weatherby Mag weights 5 lb 4 oz. As you can imagine the a 24" steel barrel is about .5" at the muzzle. The stock with a decelerator weights 16 oz. It is a nice shooting gun. Barnes 168 gr TTSXs leave the muzzle at 3350fps and it shoots around 3/4". At least the first group anyway. With the muzzle brake its easy to shoot and possible without. I am not good enough to call my shots with it though. All up with the the scope and Extreme Bipod it is right at 7 lb 2 oz. Add another 1/2 pound for the sling and Cartridges. I seldom carry the bipod on the rifle. though so the carry weight is under 7lbs. I am very confident with it to around 700 yards and capable much further. I try not to shoot at game over 500 yards or so.....Just another personal flaw I guess! I appreciate the light weight when I trying to get closer!!! My sons 270 Win shoots 129 gr LRX under 3/4 moa at 3200fps (very mild) and 150 gr nosler ABLR well under 1/2" at 3000 fps. It weighs the same.

Since you don't have time I will post some of what they claim. Please excuse any typos. From Leupold: "Long-range rifle scopes should be optimized to shoot at long range...not to perform perfect box drills at 100 yards." "Most other manufacturers choose to make their reticles subtend perfectly at 100 yards because most shooters test the accuracy of their reticles at that distance. This may result in perfect 100-yard box drills, but it creates a massive 7% error at 1000 yards." I'm not saying whether it is right or wrong...just reporting what they say. It might be that I don't really shoot at long distance, or at least not long enough to know the difference anyway. Where I usually shoot I can only get to 800 yards. I seldom go to a spot I can shoot longer. I know if I miss my first shot at 800 I don't blame the scope, it's all on me. Usually wind or poor trigger control. Heck, 800 yards is a long way for 300 WM, bare gun that weight 5 lb 4 oz anyway. Practicing with a ultralight gun forces me to try to be perfect. I have complete faith in my Leupolds. They have never failed me. I can rack the dials back and forth, up, down left right, and I'm still zeroed. I can dial up to 600 and shoot a centered <1/2 MOA group. Big or Bust, you said "Do you even know you are saying here?" and "I suspect Leupold never says what you are claiming." You might want to rephrase you statements/questions sometimes if you aren't trying to state/imply someone is lying (or just plain stupid?). The written word can be so literal (FTF is much better. How about a beer?). Mike

Read their literature.

Thats what they claim. Have you had problems wilt Leupold?

I'm sorry I made it seem like I have and example of one gun and Barnes experience. Off the top of my head I have Barnes experience with16 different guns ranging from 243 win to 375 H&H. Many of those with multiple different Barnes weights. I believe every single one of them had a low velocity accuracy node. My problem is I am obsessed with maximizing my velocity regardless of the cartridge. To me it is logical to think about it this way: If I have s 257 Roberts that is shooting a 100 gr TTSX at 3100 fps great then I re-chamber it to a 257 Wheatherby I would expect to get great accuracy at 3100 fps. Bullets from both cartridges exit the barrel at 3100 fps at around 225,000 RPMs. I understand that the pressure curve would likely be different but I"d bet I could match the 257 Roy close enough by varying powders and charge weights.

I think I do understand. 3100 fps might work well in my 257 Roberts but it wont do so well in my 257 Wheatetby. Right? I dont agree with that. My kids shot 120 gr Barne reduced loads in a 280 Rem (3000 fps ) for years. They shot more accurately then 3300 - 3350 shoots. I think it is gun dependent.

Leupold Claims that their scopes are set for long distance, 1000 yds plus, and that there will be error at shorter distances. e.g running a box test at under 300 yds. All I know is I routinely dial elevation to 20 plus MOA and windage to 6 plus and I've never had a problem with my zero. I'm happy. I guess I don't want to do a box test. It might make me decide I need to replace all of my scopes and I can't afford to do that.

I don't fully understand the "push them hard" theory. Am I inferring correctly that a Barnes 127gr LRX with shoot more accurately out of a 6.5x284 than a 6.5 CM? Or best out of a 6.5 Weatherby? I think it is purely gun specific. I shoot a lot of Barnes. My most accurate loads are usually not my fastest.

Ive had great success with all of these adjustments with my Leupolds. I dont have any reason to try anything else. VX3s and VX6s. Have you owned a VX6HD?

Im right at 3000fps with the 127LRX out of a 6.5x55. It loves IMR 4955 and shoots well under 1/2 MOA. A friend shot his deer last year with it at 375 yds with a 6.5 CM with a muzzle velocity of 2850. It worked perfectly. I use to shoot the 150 TTSX out of my 300 Weatherby. I switched to the 168 TTSX and 175 LRX. They both do a little better down range. You should be able to get 3400+ out of the 150s. My 300s like IMR 8133 and. Im fighting with a new to me 257 right now. The only bullet Ive got to shoot well is the 100 TTSX. With IMR 7977 I get 3600fps and 3/4 moa. Still working on that one. We shot the 115TSX for a while but switched to the 100 TTSX when it came out. Dont worry about the loss of 15grs with the Barnes. BTW: I dont buy into the must hit bone thing with Barnes. But its nice to know I can. And I also have the same problem. What rifle and bullets do I use in condor county this year! dang.

Sorry, I kinda took the " You heros that like to spook and shoot and then claim the moral high ground because you are better hunters crack me up." as something of an attack. I guess I was wrong. You have an unusual way of showing your love.

Dude, I said that I have long range guns and I use them for hunting. Its just not the same thing as being in their kitchen when they are undisturbed. It is a totally different game. Long range is a better test of your shooting skills compared to short range. Both methods require you to find the animal. Why do you think I jump shoot....I seldom do. I can but usually shoot at unaware animals under 200 yards. Lets see, you don't seem to respect others opinions if they don't agree with your own and you attack as your offense......are you a democrat?

Your post hits home with me and aligned with my thoughts. I seen too many hunters buy a 1000 yd gun and are therefore a 1000 yd killer. One client was disappointed because he shot his sheep at 250 yds. He was hoping for a long shot. Last year we picked up clients in Tucson for a Mexico WT hunt. I was helping a young married couple. They flew their plane in a couple of days early so they could go to Western Precision and pick up their brand new 28 Nosler. While there, they spent a half day at the range with Brent shooting out to 1000 yds. The wife had never hunted before and had only shot a rifle a few times in her life. She also had compromised vision. When I ask her how far she thought she would be comfortable shooting out to all the guys answered for her....1000 yds of course. They had the new rifle to do it! I told her that we probably wouldn't shot that far. We got in a very controlled situation at 500 yds where we could take 20 minutes to set up and dry fire a few times. 500 yds was about perfect. We were out of the bucks comfort zone so we could take the time to measure, calculate, get prone and comfortable, talk, etc. She was the first to kill on this trip. When we hiked up to her deer there was a big buck nosing a doe less than 75 yds away. The buck had heavy, gnarly, antlers with a palmate'd right antler with lots of points. 115 plus type deer. I told the husband to "shoot that deer now". I watched him disappear at 200 yds walking away. When I ask why he didn't shoot he told be he couldn't get a shot because the grass was too tall to go prone. He might be a good long distance shot, but he wasn't a hunter. With 6 hunters in camp I was the only one that had the means to measure things like distance, inclination, wind speed, etc. But they were all long range hunters.

You sure are lucky your last whitetail wasn't over 1000 yds. You might of had a hear attack. I hope you are being sarcastic when you say it is easier with a bow under 50 vs a rifle over 400. In one case you are truly hunting. In the other simply finding animals and killing them by testing your shooting skills.

Ya. When I was 16 I missed a 200 buck in traditional archery range, with my 7mm RM.

Please excuse my diatribe. Sarcasm is hard to portray in print. For the record when I ask if anyone missed anymore over 500 yards I was being sarcastic. You hardly ever hear of anyone missing or crippling at long range. If they talk about it they eventually killed on the second, third, or forth shot after the spotter walked them in. If I were to talk about my 30 plus traditional archery kills I never missed....except for maybe that one time, couple of times ....OK, maybe a few times or more. There are many comments on this post about hunters not fighting within ourselves. I agree with this and it is the right thing to do. We need to respect each others differences. At the same time we have to be good ambassadors of the sport and hold each other accountable! Here are a few of my observed examples of bad behavior: There is a video online from a Flagstaff guide where he is helping newer hunters learn to shoot long range a the day before a Kaibab late hunt. He states that he believes it is much more ethical to shoot at long distances (500yds plus), at undisturbed animals, than at closer distances where the animal is wary. Both of the hunters got shots at the 550yds plus range. Both of the hunters gut shot their deer. But he did get to brag that a lesser qualified hunter would not have been able to track and find the wounded deer. There was another camp near me in 36B one year. A newer hunter got a shot at 550 yds and gut shot his deer. He ran out of ammo trying to finish it off (15 or more shots) and had to have a stranger walk down and finish it off. But he learn from his experience...he was going to have a better scope the next year. I told him maybe he should practice a little more and not shoot outside his range. I gave an Archery hunter a ride a long time ago. When I ask him how it was going he said he had missed 19 (nineteen!) shots that season. I thought about it for a while and although At the time I'd killed a dozen or so traditional animals I told him I hadn't taken 19 shots in my life. Being good ambassadors and holding others accountable should also extend to other things, like littering and driving off road. I think there is value in the dialog in this post. We have to be able to "agree to disagree" and respect each other.

Thats pretty amazing stuff. With all the the new technology does anyone ever miss over 500 yds anymore?

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I hope you didnt infer from my post that I dont support long range hunting. Im fine with it. I do believe people try it before they are ready though and I wish they would be more self aware and show some restraint.

I agree with idgaf on this one. When I archery hunt I use traditional gear. And seldom wear camo. My hunt doesnt really start until I get within 50 yds. I prefer to be under 25 yds when I shoot. Of the last five elk Ive killed the longest shot was right at 18 yds. I shot a little 6x6 at 13 yds with a flint arrowhead one time and when he stopped at 45 I dropped another one tight behind the crease of the shoulder....but I never would have taken that shot if he didnt already have an arrow in him. BTW I own legit 1000yd rifles and have the skill to shoot that far. Ive only shot a couple of animals over 400. Ive always been able to close the distance. Of course Ive blown a few stalks closing but thats just part of the hunt to me.

The hunt. at 25 yards you are violating their safe space. At 500 they do not have that issue. try getting as close as you can, its addicting.

This is the Easton spine calculator: https://eastonarchery.com/group-t11/ A 30 arrow out of a 60lb recurve requires a spine of .325 A 30 arrow out of a 340fps ATA coumpound requires a .375 spine......or less spine.. Its because of the difference in how the force is applied (full poundage at release vs how the cams apply the force)

oh really? Explain that for me please,

Cedar arrows shoot fine out of a compound. A compound actually uses a lower spine per given draw weight than a compound.