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You sure are lucky your last whitetail wasn't over 1000 yds. You might of had a hear attack. I hope you are being sarcastic when you say it is easier with a bow under 50 vs a rifle over 400. In one case you are truly hunting. In the other simply finding animals and killing them by testing your shooting skills.

Ya. When I was 16 I missed a 200 buck in traditional archery range, with my 7mm RM.

Please excuse my diatribe. Sarcasm is hard to portray in print. For the record when I ask if anyone missed anymore over 500 yards I was being sarcastic. You hardly ever hear of anyone missing or crippling at long range. If they talk about it they eventually killed on the second, third, or forth shot after the spotter walked them in. If I were to talk about my 30 plus traditional archery kills I never missed....except for maybe that one time, couple of times ....OK, maybe a few times or more. There are many comments on this post about hunters not fighting within ourselves. I agree with this and it is the right thing to do. We need to respect each others differences. At the same time we have to be good ambassadors of the sport and hold each other accountable! Here are a few of my observed examples of bad behavior: There is a video online from a Flagstaff guide where he is helping newer hunters learn to shoot long range a the day before a Kaibab late hunt. He states that he believes it is much more ethical to shoot at long distances (500yds plus), at undisturbed animals, than at closer distances where the animal is wary. Both of the hunters got shots at the 550yds plus range. Both of the hunters gut shot their deer. But he did get to brag that a lesser qualified hunter would not have been able to track and find the wounded deer. There was another camp near me in 36B one year. A newer hunter got a shot at 550 yds and gut shot his deer. He ran out of ammo trying to finish it off (15 or more shots) and had to have a stranger walk down and finish it off. But he learn from his experience...he was going to have a better scope the next year. I told him maybe he should practice a little more and not shoot outside his range. I gave an Archery hunter a ride a long time ago. When I ask him how it was going he said he had missed 19 (nineteen!) shots that season. I thought about it for a while and although At the time I'd killed a dozen or so traditional animals I told him I hadn't taken 19 shots in my life. Being good ambassadors and holding others accountable should also extend to other things, like littering and driving off road. I think there is value in the dialog in this post. We have to be able to "agree to disagree" and respect each other.

Thats pretty amazing stuff. With all the the new technology does anyone ever miss over 500 yds anymore?

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I hope you didnt infer from my post that I dont support long range hunting. Im fine with it. I do believe people try it before they are ready though and I wish they would be more self aware and show some restraint.

I agree with idgaf on this one. When I archery hunt I use traditional gear. And seldom wear camo. My hunt doesnt really start until I get within 50 yds. I prefer to be under 25 yds when I shoot. Of the last five elk Ive killed the longest shot was right at 18 yds. I shot a little 6x6 at 13 yds with a flint arrowhead one time and when he stopped at 45 I dropped another one tight behind the crease of the shoulder....but I never would have taken that shot if he didnt already have an arrow in him. BTW I own legit 1000yd rifles and have the skill to shoot that far. Ive only shot a couple of animals over 400. Ive always been able to close the distance. Of course Ive blown a few stalks closing but thats just part of the hunt to me.

The hunt. at 25 yards you are violating their safe space. At 500 they do not have that issue. try getting as close as you can, its addicting.

This is the Easton spine calculator: https://eastonarchery.com/group-t11/ A 30 arrow out of a 60lb recurve requires a spine of .325 A 30 arrow out of a 340fps ATA coumpound requires a .375 spine......or less spine.. Its because of the difference in how the force is applied (full poundage at release vs how the cams apply the force)

oh really? Explain that for me please,

Cedar arrows shoot fine out of a compound. A compound actually uses a lower spine per given draw weight than a compound.

Wrap them in plastic wrap then vacuum seal. They will last for years. Literally. We do it with out meat and fish.

Good info, thanks. Out of curiosity, have you ever compared group sizes with turned necks vs. un-turned necks being the only variable? I realize that in itself (the benefits of uniforming the neck thickness) will likely vary from one rifle to another, but have you observed any noticeable difference? When I started prepping brass I began doing the following all at once. Check that flash holes are centered in primer pocket. Ream flash holes. Ream primer pockets. Turn necks. Weight sort to sets under 0.5 gr variance. I have not done isolated tests on each item but I did test a set of unprepped cases against a prepped set using a 700 .308 with R-P brass. I took a set of 10 unprepped cases from a lot of brass then prepped the rest and selected a set of 10 prepped cases to compare. I would put 2 targets out and fire 1 round from each set alternately at its respective target so no set had any advantage by being first or last. I also fired across a chrono. I reloaded the 2 sets and repeated the test a number of times. The unprepped cases ran around a 40 FPS E/S while the prepped set was around 25 FPS E/S. That is around a 60% reduction in velocity variation. At the time I did these tests I was off work for 6 months with a broken ankle and had nothing better to do than work on my guns and hang out at the range. The rifle, load and myself were all well tuned and capable of consistent accuracy well under 0.5 MOA. The unprepped set was much more likely to have fliers that opened up groups. This was just 1 load and rifle and as 10Turkeys points out another rifle simply may not show a substantial improvement, even with all the prep done. I also expect much less improvement is likely with higher quality brass like Lapua, Nosler or Norma VS something like R-P or Winchester. I have a set of Nosler brass on the shelf for my .300 RUM when the current R-P brass wears out. I was a bit skeptical when I read the "weight sorted" claim on the package. I scaled them all and was very impressed. They did an incredible job. I have a question on Noslers weight sorted brass. I think this means that the 50 (or 25) in a box will be consistent., but the next box while although still consistent could be a very different weight? BTW I have measured the neck thickness variance on a box of 50 Nosler brass and it was very good.

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Brand new Dillion 45 ACP crimp dies: $20 shipped 1970's Pacific 300 H&H dies: $15 shipped

I got a call today after about 4 weeks to ask if I was willing to pay $133 to proceed with my repair. My 12s had a scratched ocular and torn rubber on one barrel. I think $133 is fair. The lesson learned here is the never let someone else touch your glass!

It might have an identity problem. It seems to think its a fully automatic. Is it a Democrat?

They quoted me 6 weeks on my 12s. I think Im 4 weeks in now.

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Heres the deal: A friend gave me a price point for a BTX and objective. I negotiated a killer deal.....and he cant come up with the funds. I can sell a NIB BTX, 95mm objective, and the 1.7X converter for $4700. This is a cash only FTF deal by this weekend. I am in Flagstaff but I will be in north Phx this Friday thru Sunday. The MSRP for all of this is $5,775 and the Outdoorsmans price is about $5,200: Thats before $400 plus in tax. This is over $1,000 savings from Outdoorsmans! I also negotiated a return pending sale on these items so Im firm on the price. Im just trying to help out fellow CWT members. I have this exact setup and it is simply amazing. It might not be as bright as the Kowas but its bright enough and it weighs less than half of the Kowas. Mike

TTT I'm really surprise that these are still here. I guess it's just not the right the time of the year and the price?

Scoutpylot You listed MSRP when we are starting to find these at MAP. Are you firm on your price or will you entertain offers?

The April Shooting Times has an article on the 6.5 PRC. In 3 guns factory 143g ELDXs averaged 3013fps. Full case capacity is listed as 68.8 gr of water to the case mouth or about the same as the 6.5 Remington Magnun. About a 6% increase over the 6.5-284. The 6.5 RM was just way ahead of its times, but it did have that belt thing going wrong for it that was in vogue at the time. The article says handloading data for the 6.5-06 can be used as a starting point. Loading data for a he 6.5 RM will work too. Im looking forward to getting modern powder load data for a NULA 6.5-06 I have coming in a couple of months.

You gotta admit the script is going to get him a lot of free bumps! BTW I love the BTX.

The lcd says 54.8 doesnt it?