AZkiller

Allocating tags for money is a tax. I pay my share in taxes but I would prefer not to pay excessive taxes. Now who is the democrat?Nobody is mandating that you pay. If they allow the taking of state resource, which I am native resident of, than I am paying that tax. So are you. No you don't have to participate in the raffle or draw however you do get the benefit of the "tax" that others voluntarily pay.

Okay I have a new plan. Let's raise all of the tag fees by $500 each

Hello forest... Where are all the trees?

Let's keep in mind here boys that hunting is a privilege not a right. They can take it away at any time

Allocating tags for money is a tax. I pay my share in taxes but I would prefer not to pay excessive taxes. Now who is the democrat? Nobody is mandating that you pay.

How did the Democrats manage to get you guys to turn on your own? I can't believe all of the class warfare being thrown around here. Any of you employed by a poor man? Other than you self employed such as myself. Who cares how much money they have or how much more they hunt than YOU do. If they are going to ensure our ability to hunt welcome them!

Does it seem easy? Seems like most of you want to dig in your heels and just say no. I hear no one putting any other ideas out there though. Other than "There's utter ways" If this continues the way our government has we're doomed.

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Delbert you do not know what you are talking about. Can we please root this in reality and try to come up with a solution?

What if they added trail camera permits to the auction? Would you guys be in then?😁

AZGFD connot use money it collects through it's own funding for political reasons. Pittman Robertson is a good question but would take forever on fed funding

Agree 100% that these groups think that somehow by allowing predators to thrive, nature will balance itself out without any help. They always fail to realize the impact that man has had on the environment which is why it makes no sense. This whole discussion has made me realize what a tightrope the average hunter walks in society. On the left we have groups that constantly assault our ability to own guns, to hunt game, and to manage our wildlife via the ballot box. On the right we have groups that are dedicated to selling our public land and hunting tags for quick profit. It's really upsetting that just a few weeks after we rid ourselves of the left, that the right rears up and attacks from their angle. As far as this proposal I try to look a few years ahead and figure out possible outcomes. This proposal is based on the pure conjecture that HSUS is back in 2 years. Let's assume this proposal goes through and look at possible outcomes in 2 years. There is no way to say that there is `100% certainty that HSUS will be back in 2 years. There is also no way to say that chance is 0%. Personally I think the odds of them coming back are in the 20-25% range. You might say 75% so let's just assume it is a 50/50 chance. There are 3 possible outcomes at this point. 1. HSUS decides not to pursue the ban again in 2 years. This would render the proposal useless and will have been a waste of hundreds of trophy tags and millions of dollars. 2. HSUS decides to try again and wins this time. This would render the proposal useless and will have been a waste of hundreds of trophy tags and millions of dollars. 3. HSUS decides to try again and loses. This would perhaps shine a positive light on the proposal. So there ultimately is a 66% (2 in 3, actually closer to 75% when you factor in the original 50/50 odds)chance that this proposal will have absolutely no meaningful difference in any outcome in 2 years. 1 in 3 odds it will have "some" impact. I don't like those odds when the tradeoff is hundreds of tags and millions of dollars, and the permanent entrenchment of AZSFW folks in our game department similar to what has happened in Utah. Just my opinion on things! I understand. But what if it's 50 trophy tags and 100 November tags? We can have an imput on what tags. Let's get involved.

I agree, good stuff! I would like to see ultimately a raffle of some Deer tags, elk tags, sheep tags, Antelope tags and much other hunting and non hunting related items. Picture Health & Wealth Raffle comes to wildlife conservation. I think any raffle tags MUST be transferable as well so we can have as many raffle ticket holders as possible.

I totally understand about being upset not being able to hunt deer because you have fewer tags. The Humane Societies end goal is to stop hunting all together! Lion hunting is a foot in the door if you ban lion hunting deer and Elk numbers go down pretty soon it's easy to convince the non-hunting public that there are not enough animals to be able to hunt therefore we should stop all hunting. I definitely do not want to demonized the well-off. I am not one of them however I aspire to be one. Just because a guy can afford to go hunting and pump more money into wildlife and conservation than I ever will be able to does not make him a bad guy in my opinion. If the same guy that pays for a tag wants to give my state a few million dollars over the course of 10 years or so for wildlife and habitat more power to them. there are no guarantees in life, obviously we cannot guarantee that they won't ask for more tags we can't guarantee that this will make a difference, I can guarantee that if we do absolutely nothing but bicker at each other we will do nothing to help wildlife and the future of hunting in Arizona. I don't ee the harm at all in giving up a few tags that I will still have an opportunity to obtain, in order to have a voice against the anti hunters. How do we know they will be back?? Liberal ideas never die. They are very good at keeping focus and making their objective reality.

The bottom line here guys is that they will be back in 2 years to get this on the ballot again. If we don't somehow come to agreement and come up with $5000000 to fight them then we will lose the ability not only to hunt mountain lions and bobcats but to also never be able to go on a premium strip hunt as we will lose the majority of our deer and Elk tags because of mountain lion predation. You could also kiss most of the sheep tags goodbye. This will be worse than the 1994 initiative to ban trapping. We have 10 times the number of coyotes in this state today then we did the day before that passed. Think of how many Deer tags we could have now if we had 10% the number of coyotes. As to the loss of 150 to 200 Deer tags to go towards a raffle, think of it the same as taxes. If you cut the rate of taxes you will increase government revenue due to the stimulus that it creates. What I mean is if we can auction slash raffle off 200 tags, the amount of money that that will generate to conserve wildlife including Predator control, we will effectively have a net increase in tag numbers. Don't believe me? look at the tag numbers today and Utah versus what they were 10 years ago.

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Hammers are protected btw.

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