AZkiller

Oh and I'm not rich

Haha I'm Dave Hallof and not involved with any club other than I am a new sustaining member of ada and 5year member of adbss. I hold no seat

As would I

Fantastic idea and should definitely be explored

Do they give any credit to the current laws in place that made it very tough to gather signatures anyway? Yes

Awesome!

Listen to the podcast 426. They beat them by hiring the petition company HSUS was planning on hiring before they did. Yes there is basically one.

They're already not paying 250k for an auction tag. Two tags from last year and this year have been 175k and 145k for the elk. Also what do you think the price of the auction tags are gonna drop to when the rich guy can buy a unit 23 two week long elk hunt for $30k or a two week long strip tag for $40k? Why drop 300k on a year long one if I can drop 40k on a shorter one and still kill my giant buck. Fair point. Should be asked tomorrow

And if lions aren't being killed who is gonna pay 250k for an auction tag

Stop pushing lies. Listen to jays podcast

So to get it straight NONE of the money generated by the tags will actually be able to fight the political fight that they say we desperately need money to fight? All the money generated by the tags will go to the education side of things and then we just hope the rich guys donate a bunch of money to CAPAZ to be able to fight the political stuff? It's a win-win! The rich guys from back east get their yearly auction tags in unit 9(win for them)! And maybe they will give some money to fight the political causes(win for us). But they don't come here to hunt lions anyways, so won't bother them if we lose the lion fight here! And when we lose the lion hunts they still get to keep their elk, deer, and sheep hunts. I'm sure it will work out great. We are lucky to not only have 1 group working on our behalf, but this morning we now actually have 2! CAPAZ and now CAP. This thing looks awesome! LOL Do you know what lions eat?

Me me me me me me

Everyone needs to listen to Jays episode 426. Lots o q's answered

What organization do you head? I need to join.

Thanks for doing this Jay

They only raised $54k

The way it was explained to me your 2nd option is correct

Aaaannnd again the G&F can't raise ANY money for political purposes.So, how is the g&f donating these tags and receiving money in return any different? If the money raised by raffle/auction tags goes back to g&f? How is that any different? If the people that are for this BS tag grab werent so condescending they would have a better chance. All the guys that are so for it act like us opposed are just a bunch of slack jawed, uneducated hillbillies that dont know what is good for us. Heres a box of crayons. Spell it out. Maybe well be able to make some sense out of it now I have no idea actually. I'm not an attorney or a bureaucrat or politician. All I know is that they are not able to raise money for political purposes. Doesn't make any sense to me either.

Kinda think the whole point is for the hunting community to make a contribution to the animals that will be protected for them by the monies raised. Hence the tag raffle/auction. The lion ban wouldn't effect the rez at all.

Aaaannnd again the G&F can't raise ANY money for political purposes.

Thats not true I left an entire list. Yes I see that. Read my post above

Guess you just read what tou want and totally ignored Flatlanders post with his list of ideas. I did not see his post. I just went back and read it and yes there are some great ideas. Some of those I conveyed yesterday on the phone. All of these need to be taken into consideration.

Allocating tags for money is a tax. I pay my share in taxes but I would prefer not to pay excessive taxes. Now who is the democrat?Nobody is mandating that you pay. If they allow the taking of state resource, which I am native resident of, than I am paying that tax. So are you. No you don't have to participate in the raffle or draw however you do get the benefit of the "tax" that others voluntarily pay. I wouldn't benefit. I do not need an organization of questionable interest taking tags from one of my friends or neighbors to educate people that hunting is good. I can on my own, without auction money, tell non hunters that hunting is great. Ooohh that's the plan to fight the HSUS. Why didn't I think of that?

Umm let me take off my shoes. Lets see... Zero. I would like for my 7 year old to be able to hunt one day. Again, what is your suggestion?

Still no one has come up with any other ideas all they want to do is say no! It's like I'm talking to a bunch of Dodge drivers