AZkiller

No I don't. There is one case of A condor dying of lead consumption. 1 case. One. And that bird had eaten 300 some pieces of lead. Would you ban socks and underwear in your house if your lab dies from eating them? All the worry over 1. There aren't bald eagles, Turkey vultures or ravens falling out of the sky from consuming lead. They all eat gut plies all over the Country. Eagles are an ESA raptor here in Arizona aren't they? Why not ban lead everywhere? Yeah, uninformed...Is it really that hard to shoot copper? If it is, its pretty clear carrying out a whole carcass will be way out of your league. And have you ever seen what a bullet does when it hits bone? There could be 300 pieces of lead in one carcass, but cool whatever, you do you. The rest of us will be busy being considerate conservationists working with other interest groups instead of opposing them out of spite. Oh and eagles, they are predatory raptors, not scavengers I have never seen one on a gut pile in AZ. I am sure they will eat gut piles, but they arent a primary food source. Condors are oversized vultures, they eat what other people kill. I've tried them out of my muzzleloader and they don't shoot. Also I don't feel there is a high enough SD at low velocity. Can you read you little butterball? I've already said this. You go try and present yourself as the higher moral standard. I'm done with you. You have no interest in any cconversation that runs contrary to little Andy's view.

Yeah 150lbs of beef would last my family at least a year. I don't have this for a wife thankfully.

No I don't. There is one case of A condor dying of lead consumption. 1 case. One. And that bird had eaten 300 some pieces of lead. Would you ban socks and underwear in your house if your lab dies from eating them? All the worry over 1. There aren't bald eagles, Turkey vultures or ravens falling out of the sky from consuming lead. They all eat gut plies all over the Country. Eagles are an ESA raptor here in Arizona aren't they? Why not ban lead everywhere? Yeah, uninformed...

For one who was mighty hot to trot when tags were being offered as bait for an education initiative about what a great job AZGFD does managing wildlife you sure dont seem to give two squirts of crap about their recommendation on this particular issue. Interesting. Nope. This is one that they did to appease the ANTI's. They do a great job of managing wildlife why does that mean I have to agree with everything they do? They put a season on mountain lion and bobcat. I don't agree with that either. There is a season on prairie dogs that I see no need for. Those were done for the anti's as well.

So yes I'm sorry if you force feed a duck lead shot it will die. There weren't duck fatalities due to consumption. There has been one condor fatality due to lead ANF he apparently had a taste for it. Not saying we shouldn't be aware of a potential concern but it isn't an eminent threat to scavenging birds or waterfowl.

There is no mortality concern from ingestion. The condor concern is a liberal one. The use of lead was banned for waterfowl not because of ingestion but because of the potential harm to ground water supplies. I too am in tune to the reaserch on the effects of lead. If I shoot my deer in the guts I'll haul them out

I've tried them. They don't group in my muzzleloader and imho don't have enough SD in a muzzleloader. You can have my coupon. I will pm you when I get it.

Why do you NEED all copper? Lead kills the condor after it eats your deers remains. When you are drawn for a tag north of the Colorado river you recieve a coupon with your tag for a free box of ammo or 50 all copper/ non lead bullets to reload. That's not a NEED. There has never been a single condor or waterfowl die from ingesting lead fragments or shot. I will be using PRBullets on my 12a hunt.

Why do you NEED all copper?

Aaand from a moderator.... For shame!!!

Oooh can I get in on this? I have a 12ae muzzleloader tag. Where do the 200's live?

For the guys that didn't get drawn. You still have the Big Game Super Raffle to look forward to and next year another 100 tags or so in the raffle! Next year you will have more opportunities at tags and more opportunity to fund the continuation of the heritage of our sport!

In for a 1/4 or less of a half? He!!, steaks are on sale at pretty much any grocery store right now for the 4th. A quarter of a cow. Hahahahaha

I might go in with ya.i dont remember how it all works its been a long time since we did cattle I was young. But I saw black angus and that all Dad and his buddies raised in Washington state, he got them from the black angus place just west of elensburg. so shoot me an email delapril@cox.net Na I don't like you. I don't know that I would do much of anything to help you in any way other than an emergency. But thanks for the offer.

A dumb A$$ He is correct its your. You're would be used as such, "you're a dumb a$$". "Your brother is dumb". See the difference?

Yeah I should be in the bonus pass. Depends on who put in but yeah I ordered muzzy bullets

Your daughter is bigger than my wife and yes your son is in men's sizes.

congrats! how many points did you have? 8. 12aw late 1st 12ae muzzleloader 2nd

Great podcast today! All about HSUS

Cost you a draft at Uncle Sam's.Was going to demand a pitcher but your stinginess is legendary. You can buy me one! I have your pack. Let me know when you're in town and want to meet up. I'll meet you at lakeside grill!

Edge why don't you grab the sleeping bag for me and stop by on your way back lol!

Where are you? I need the bag

own my own hardwood flooring installation business. Sometimes its more sometimes its less but $750 a day is average. I need to do this and hire your guys for more $. I'd be happy with $650 a day! 😁😜

Yeah it's my first in 6years so I kinda know the feeling

Did you just get your first deer tag and you're all giddy? I am