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I'd like the pack, if anyone is headed between Tucson and PHX.

Very nice Kent.

If you want to get a youth rifle that he will keep and later be able to use as an adult I'd get a Howa. One thing I would also do is to get an inexpensive 4X scope with 4" of eye relief and let him use that for a few years before using a variable power scope. Kids will creep up on the stock and with a 4X there is nothing for them to adjust and he will have a consistent sight picture every time he shoulders the rifle. If you can find a 4x32 with a 1" tube then mount it with low rings so it is easier for him to align his eye with his cheek on the stock without having to raise his head up. http://www.cabelas.com/product/Howa-Youth-Two-Stock-Scope-Combo/1367661.uts

There are probably a few IN SOMEONES TROPHY ROOM. But AZ is way to south of their range.

A spotting scope will come into play when you want to see something that your binoculars don't have the power to see enough details to make either a game animal or object out. Bino's in the 8-10 power will make out details up to 300-500 yards depending on their quality and the time of day and available light. 10x50 or 8x42 is about right for use without a tripod. Higher magnification requires a tripod if you are going to look at something for longer than 20 seconds or you will get some fatigue and shaking which is why most people use tripods. The higher you go up in magnification the smaller the area you are actually looking at gets, commonly referred to Field Of View (FOV). The downside of a spotting scope is you will get eye strain and a headache if you spend a long time looking through it, say two or three minutes at a time. This won't happen with bino's. The plus side is at 20X or 60X you will see a lot more detail, but be aware just because the power is high that doesn't mean that you will actually be able to see what you are looking at in detail if you buy a lower end spotter. Also if you see a deer on 30X that is 1500 yards away it is going to take you a while to get there. In your price range I would look at Nikon and Vortex binos. Optics Planet dot com is a good place to do research and then call Doug or Neil at Camerland dot com as they are a sponsor. If you can spend the most you can afford on binos (Buy once, cry once). Another option is to rent the high end optics if and when you draw a tag. Ross Outdoors on the west side of Phoenix does that and there are other places on the web.

It is mostly the heavy caliber stuff but I found it interesting and hopefully others will derive some benefit from it. http://www.handloads.com/misc/linebaugh.penetration.tests.asp

I don't load stuff until it is time to boogie. I'm the only honest person I know and Insurance Companies have no sympathy.

I've hunted 33 and 36B during the early hunts and the temps are usually hot in the day but at times I have also seen temps cold enough to put down frost at night. Sorry to hear about your friend Muleskinner. A basic physical each year is a good thing for us to do once we reach 30. At 40 we start getting poked and prodded by the Doc and if anyone is like me with high cholesterol please take it one step further and do a Nuclear Stress Test and then again every five years. It only takes a few hours and it will save your life. During the one I did last year my Blood Pressure hit 232 about five minutes into the treadmill so now I take half a pill each morning and feel a lot better and less stressed out. I'd hate to have the big one if I was out hunting with my son. I know I am going to die one day, it's the only thing we can be sure of, but I would like to spare him that memory.

This is a great area with lots of game to be seen. I would love to go but I am working all day on Saturday.

Into the Wood Chipper with the lot of them.

Has a date and time been set yet?

I left work in Tempe at 3:00 to get some lunch at the temp gauge in my work HHR read 122dgF. I'm not sure how accurate it was but man it was hot.

And here I thought EC was going to post some pictures. LOL

How many sq ft was the house it was on? Is a 4 ton best on a 15-1800 sq ft house?

It is also pretty common to come across posts, including things for sale, just doing a google search. F2F sale requirements can easily be overcome going through an FFL, as repeatedly mentioned in past posts. It only takes minutes to create a paypal account. Let's try to refrain ourselves from browbeating first time posters and I guarantee they may even stick around and become contributing members of CWT.

I always called it "Scaryokee".

MULEPACKHUNTER I received an email a few day ago with regarding the changes which goes into more depth/detail. The following is an excerpt from that which addresses salt. What is "bait"? For the purposes of R12-4-303(A)(4), the Commission considers bait to include any food-stuff or ingestible material (such as corn or wildlife feed) that has been deposited, scattered or piled, or delivered by a passive or active feeder or feed delivery system, so as to constitute an attractant, lure or enticement to wildlife and to influence the movement of these animals for the purpose of harvest by hunters. "Bait" does not include: water, salt, salt-based materials produced and manufactured for the livestock industry; nutritional supplements produced and manufactured for the livestock industry and placed during the course of livestock or agricultural operations; decoys, scent lures (provided they do not contain cervid urine), or chemical attractants provided they are not ingestible; or food plots planted within accepted local or regional agricultural guidelines. for livestock operations. Greater availability of natural resources, including water and salt, actually promotes broader distribution of wildlife The restrictions on baiting would not apply to practices that provide essential necessities for wildlife, such as water or salt licks and supplements developed and healthier populations.

I'm with Tony on this that salt, in any form, can be placed by a hunter as it does say Salt and Water.

Salt Lake City?

My Garmin GPS does it and I believe it is also based on your coordinates.

Well, he pulled it off. Whether your married and in the military over in combat or an Indy Car Driver some people are just driven. Heck he probably thinks someone who varmint calls bears with a bow has a death wish. You know, they say we only go around once and this ain't no dress rehersal. One thing for sure, we are all going to die. Some fear it, others put a price tag on it, enter history and create memories. You know many, many years ago when I moved here from NY I met a an opinioned hot headed guy that did some crazy stuff on motorcycles. We would run across each other once in a while and shoot the breeze, talk about the war and women but never about why. One day out of the blue, he just looked at me and said I do it because it feeds me, it's my monster and only I can tame it.

That's always a concern. The recommended safe distance in AZ for boaters is 100 yards from a dive flag.

Always a blast. Haha I Get it. Funny guy that Ernesto.

I have has a VXll on a Rem 700 in 7Mag since about 1991 with no problems what so ever. It is a 4-12X and has taken a few hard bumps when I lost footing and has never lost zero or gotten fogged up. I have hunted here and in Alaska with it in temps near zero and well over 100*F and in the rain and snow. My only beef is eye relief diminishes as I zoom up to 12X. You will probably pay more money for the Leupold but it is 100$ made in the US.

I have not see it on WT but I have seen it on MD. I did see an all white WT Buck on one of the southern units back in the early 90's. Aparently the locals knew of him but I do not think he was ever taken.